Should Twins Go After Clubhouse Cancer Yunel Escobar?

[Guest USAFChief]

If he can be had for a song, it's worth considering.

 

As for the "he's not enough of an upgrade over what we have" argument - what do you at shortstop?

 

Go with Florimon? Or is there someone else you'd bring in?

 

I'm not convinced Florimon is the answer, and the list of available free agents is pretty weak.

 

One of the things Ryan needs to figure out is how to improve the team while giving up as little as possible. Seems like this has the potential to be the type of low risk/high reward move the Twins need to make.

 

 

Concur on all counts.

[kab21]

 

Oh yay, no we are back to the "well X player is better then Nishioka, or Y player is better then Butera" argument. Would escobar be better then what the Twins have in house? Highly likely, but they need to be aiming higher and better. Plus like I mentioned, I personally would prefer they not sign some moronic homophobe.

 

he's significantly better than anything the Twins have had. And he's significantly better than anything available on the market unless you can get 55 yr old Marco Scutaro (my top target). This team needs players that are good at baseball and Yunel can hit a .700 OPS with good defense at SS. Start suggesting other ideas since Floriman, carroll, Dozier (there's still a little hope though), eddie escobar and anything else the Twins have suck.

[DaveW]

 

Oh yay, no we are back to the "well X player is better then Nishioka, or Y player is better then Butera" argument. Would escobar be better then what the Twins have in house? Highly likely, but they need to be aiming higher and better. Plus like I mentioned, I personally would prefer they not sign some moronic homophobe.

 

he's significantly better than anything the Twins have had. And he's significantly better than anything available on the market unless you can get 55 yr old Marco Scutaro (my top target). This team needs players that are good at baseball and Yunel can hit a .700 OPS with good defense at SS. Start suggesting other ideas since Floriman, carroll, Dozier (there's still a little hope though), eddie escobar and anything else the Twins have suck.

Aim high.

Trade Span for Andrus.

[kab21]

That would be awesome but unrealistic imo. Texas should trade for pitching and they need to.

 

I would have a backup plan in place if i were you.

[JP3700]

His contract:

2013 - 5M

2014 - 5M club option no buyout

2015 - 5M club option no buyout

 

As long as we're not giving up too much, I think you have to trade for him. That contract is just way too good! Their bullpen is thin so if they're just asking for a cost controlled reliever or two I'd pull the trigger.

 

Worst case scenario - 2012 wasn't just an off year, his play continues to decline and our SS search continues in 2014 with 5M coming off the books

 

Best case scenario - 2012 was an off year and he plays like the 2007-2011 version of himself and we get a 3-4 WAR SS for 5M a year.. Up to 3 years.

[Riverbrian]

If he can be had for a song, it's worth considering.

 

As for the "he's not enough of an upgrade over what we have" argument - what do you at shortstop?

 

Go with Florimon? Or is there someone else you'd bring in?

 

I'm not convinced Florimon is the answer, and the list of available free agents is pretty weak.

 

One of the things Ryan needs to figure out is how to improve the team while giving up as little as possible. Seems like this has the potential to be the type of low risk/high reward move the Twins need to make.

 

The Twins have moved every head case out the door over the years and have gotten very little in return for those head cases. It's a pretty strong guess that they(Gardenhire) don't want any.

 

Personally, I have never met the guy. On paper it looks like he has talent. I watched him play a handful of games with the Braves. I saw him dog a couple of plays and thought to myself "what the hell?". Hadn't read anything about him being a problem when I saw him dog it. Just eyeballed it.

 

Later I started reading some stuff about his attitude. Then he was given away to the Jays which is a pretty big clue.

 

I have seen a couple of Jays games and don't recall seeing him dog anything in a Jays uniform. I've read some attitude stuff but I don't know if its leftover stuff from the Braves and of course the pointless eye black thing which I don't care about... I just think it was a stupid thing to do. Pointless at a baseball game and doesn't mean anything by itself but it means a lot as its added to the collective.

 

That's all the info I have... Nothing first hand... Based on that... I'll take Florimon for awhile and hope to improve the position later.

[Boom Boom]

If the choice is between Escobar and Florimon, I'd take Escobar. But my preference would be neither.

[DaveW]

That would be awesome but unrealistic imo. Texas should trade for pitching and they need to.

 

I would have a backup plan in place if i were you.

First off, who knows how willing Toronto is going to be to trade him, and who knows what the cost will be? There is no guarantee they will take pennies on the dollar for him.

 

Here is my backup plan: Sign one of Kelly Johnson, Stephen Drew, Jeff Keppinger or Marco Scutaro. It's not like they NEED a SS, if they upgrade 2B they can live with Dozier/Carroll/Florimon etc at SS.

[Twins Twerp]

Morneau for Escobar straight up? Would this be a good deal for the Twins, or just a salary dump?

[DaveW]

Morneau for Escobar straight up? Would this be a good deal for the Twins, or just a salary dump?

 

no way

[lecroy24fan]

I want Keppinger.