Article: CHW 7, MIN 3: Sox Get to Gibby

[AceWrigley]

 

Just lift the runner's leg off of the base with your glove hand. He was off-balance, anyone could see that.

Kent Hrbek knows.

[Dantes929]

 

One question that arises in my mind over the Garver play and I cannot answer it.  Did Garver perceive that if he threw to second the runner from third would score.  I do not have a mental image of where the other players were - who would cover second and who would cover home?

  I get the confusion a little.   Usually when two guys are on the same base they just stay there accepting that one will be out.   I am guessing that Garver didn't want to compound the error by throwing to second and letting the run score because as you suggest he wasn't sure home was covered.    The run down you want is the one they had which is the one between home and third.     I'm sure when he saw them both on the base he thought he had an automatic out and just relaxed.     Bone headed but I will cut him some slack.    Sano definitely did not play it well either.    He should have waited  a little longer to throw the ball and the throw was high and soft.  Then he should get out of the way and circle back to back up third rather than back up to get the return throw.     I hold him just as responsible.   

I don't think Garver has great baseball instincts.    My memory is that he cost us a game back when it really mattered when bases were loaded and there was a ball barely hit down the line.  Garver should have just jumped on it and tagged the guy coming down the line but instead kind of hesitated to see if it went foul and when the opportunity to actually get an out passed, grabbed the ball when it might have still gone foul.   Just bad baseball all around.    That one I was more annoyed about.

[USAFChief]

 

  I get the confusion a little.   Usually when two guys are on the same base they just stay there accepting that one will be out.   I am guessing that Garver didn't want to compound the error by throwing to second and letting the run score because as you suggest he wasn't sure home was covered.    The run down you want is the one they had which is the one between home and third.     I'm sure when he saw them both on the base he thought he had an automatic out and just relaxed.     Bone headed but I will cut him some slack.    Sano definitely did not play it well either.    He should have waited  a little longer to throw the ball and the throw was high and soft.  Then he should get out of the way and circle back to back up third rather than back up to get the return throw.     I hold him just as responsible.   

I don't think Garver has great baseball instincts.    My memory is that he cost us a game back when it really mattered when bases were loaded and there was a ball barely hit down the line.  Garver should have just jumped on it and tagged the guy coming down the line but instead kind of hesitated to see if it went foul and when the opportunity to actually get an out passed, grabbed the ball when it might have still gone foul.   Just bad baseball all around.    That one I was more annoyed about.

You "get the confusion?"

 

How would throwing the ball to second allow the run to score? If Garver was indeed smart enough to wonder if the pitcher was covering home--which seems pretty generous--a quick glance towards the plate before a throw to second was all it would have taken to confirm what he should have already known.

 

The runner started back to second from third. The runner who was on third was all the way back to third. The Twins can't execute a throw to second, and back to home, in the time it would take the runner on third to go from standing on third all the way to the plate?

 

There's zero excuse for getting no outs in that situation, and by all rights they should have gotten at least two, given the 2 trail runner's decisions to retreat 90 ft while one of our defenders held the ball near third base.

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

Yeah I guess I'd put that about 99.9% on Garver. Maybe if Mollie would have yelled "throw!" he would have thrown it... to someone. Anyone.

[Dantes929]

 

Yeah I guess I'd put that about 99.9% on Garver. Maybe if Mollie would have yelled "throw!" he would have thrown it... to someone. Anyone.

100% on Garver for not throwing to 2nd.   I still put  a good chunk on Sano for a lousy throw and for backing up for the return throw rather than getting out of the way.   Maybe he was wondering if he had backup.     The run down is ideally between home and third.     Yes, Garver should have checked home and then thrown to 2nd.    I understand hesitating and then freezing.    Anyone else ever make a bone headed play?    

[yarnivek1972]

Stewart, Odorizzi and Gonsalves next 3 games?

 

Over/under for total IP between the 3.

 

13.5 is the number. Go.

Sitting at 11 2/3 going into tonight. Gonsalves going 2 SEEMS like a gimme, but he didn’t last time.