Romine's Grand Slam - discrepancy in pitch data

[drjim]

It's a shame, I had some hope that Gibson would take a little step forward this year, but probably going to have to accept he is what he is, a backend starter. Has some value while he is still relatively cheap, but there will be too many maddening starts like this.

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

I was not aware of the rest of the inning. Pretty awful. You can't hit a guy ahead 1-2.

[ashbury]

It's a shame, I had some hope that Gibson would take a little step forward this year, but probably going to have to accept he is what he is, a backend starter. Has some value while he is still relatively cheap, but there will be too many maddening starts like this.

The Trevor Plouffe of the pitching staff?

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

As a team, Twins pitchers aren't quite leading MLB in hitting batters, but they are high on the list. I wonder if it has anything to do with learning to "pitch inside." Worth watching.

[Otto von Ballpark]

FWIW, Gameday was all messed up for me yesterday.  It actually froze just before the grand slam, and repeated attempts to reload actually showed weird messed up game states (scoreless in the 2nd inning with no Dozier leadoff HR, etc.).

 

It wouldn't surprise me if some of the data is still jumbled in there.

 

EDIT: And now I see this was brought up by others too!

[Mr. Brooks]

Sometimes hitters hit pitches they shouldn't.

 

Maybe that wasn't your argument, I'm not sure, but Romine deserves a lot of credit for that swing.

 

But there's plenty to complain about with Gibson's fourth inning overall. He put himself in that situation, one where a good swing put Detroit into a commanding lead... I think focusing on Romine's grand slam is letting the tail wag the dog.

 

If Gibson doesn't put up a clownshoe performance leading up to Romine, that (good) swing means the Twins are up 3-1 or 3-2 and all is fine and well.

I don't care if it's outside the strike zone, that is right in a lefties wheelhouse.

Romine didn't hit a pitch he wasn't supposed to, lefties love the ball in that spot from a righty pitcher.

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

I don't care if it's outside the strike zone, that is right in a lefties wheelhouse.
Romine didn't hit a pitch he wasn't supposed to, lefties love the ball in that spot from a righty pitcher.

True, that pitch coming across the plate into a lefty's sight line is a pretty appealing pitch to hit.

[Intramural Legend]

 

In case I wasn't clear, I fully agree. The inaccuracy of MLB Gameday should have no bearing on our opinion of in-stadium pitch tracking by MLB. It means Gameday is flawed.

 

My post is to highlight the inaccuraries of Gameday, not the concept of electronic pitch tracking.

 

I'm pretty sure Gameday is tracked by humans watching the game (see the company Sportsradar).

 

It really shouldn't be used for any type of accuracy. 

 

[Willihammer]

Couldn't find a link but one question I would have is who/what are setting the strike zone overlay? Is it static? Could be the pitch tracking was 100% accurate, and it only appeared to be off because the zone overlay was badly misplaced.

[Richie the Rally Goat]

Given the 3D nature of the in-stadium tracking, there's no reason for those systems to be inaccurate.

 

It's simply not that hard to pull data from multiple cameras and spot a ball traveling through the air.

 

Google and Facebook can build an algorithm to predict and defeat human behavior; the best Go players in the world have lost to machines built by those companies. Tesla and Google can build cars that predict and react to driving conditions with exponentially more accuracy and reliability than human beings.

 

In comparison, tracking the controlled environment of an MLB game is child's play, something a CIS student should be able to build for their thesis project.*

 

*in no way is this an advocacy for automated strike calling, something I am against, merely pointing out that the underlying tech is not terribly complicated

from what I've read, foxtrax is a guy watching the game with a telestrator marking the pitch by eyeball. I'm sure teams don't want to share too much, plus I'm sure networks don't want to spend the money to make it work automatically