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Just like college, I know how to kill a party. This place is dead anyway.

I crashing it then.

What the hell are you guys still doing here, I thought we closed up shop for the night? Last call was an hour ago.

After seeing what Miami paid for Cashner, I'd want way more than Mejia. If a team tells me that Santana's remaining contract is less appealing than Cashner's expiring contract, I tell that GM that we clearly do not see eye to eye and good day to you sir.

Also, if the Twins do end up trading Santana, I hope Cashner flops in Miami. I don't want to give non-elite free agent pitchers four+ year deals anymore but I'd roll the dice on a Cashner reclamation project this off season for a one year make-good deal with or without an option. If the next GM goes for league average starting pitchers like our old one did, I hope he gets the kind that bite on one or two year deals, those guys are almost always a good movable asset.

I am too, but only because Anthony's statement about being blown away doesn't sound impossible seeing as what the Marlins got to rent Cashner. Still not a fan of Anthony making the trade, but the if the starter market is this hot, it might be hard to screw up too terribly.

Well if you think Anthony is capable of making stupid decisions, do you really want him trading Santana? What if he does and everyone universally hates the trade? Barring injury, any trade the Twins can do for Santana now likely can be done come this off season by the permanent GM.

I'd be disappointed if they didn't. As far as I'm concerned, the fans don't need to know this stuff until hopefully after the matter is resolved.

Sounds like the Yankees have or would turn down the Nationals for a Andrew Miller/Lucas Giolito swap. Would have been a pretty good year for Perkins to be a healthy top end closer again.

I'd rotate Polanco between 3B/SS/2B and give Sano some looks at 1B. The team has already screwed the pooch defensively this year, the new GM is going to have a few things to fix anyway, so I really wouldn't care if Polanco played SS exclusively. However, Eduardo Escobar has already started his traditional 2nd half surge with a .785 OPS since June, so I'd like to keep him in the lineup.

How about instead of comparing the teams, a comparison of the draft position is made? So if the Twins drafted 10th and selected a HS kid, that pick is compared in WAR to the next 10-20 HS kids taken and the same is done separately for the college guys. Then WAR is added for each team and divided by the number of draft picks, then we'd have WAR per player and only for guys the Twins had a shot at drafting.

Why does it seem like every time this team gives us something to get excited about they immediately follow it up by saying frustrating and illogical things in a followup interview/press conference?

They could limit his innings in the pen if the team also trades fellow lefty Abad. It's not something Ryan would have done, but Ryan's not in charge any more either. Not saying they should do it, or even that I care to see him this year, but they could be creative if they want him to audition for 2017 which might be smart considering he's the closest lefty in the system who may be ready for the opening day rotation. Assuming (hoping) Milone is no longer an option and Rogers remains in the pen.

Now you're just plagiarizing my Twins Daily fan fiction.

I like it, a young controllable lefty with some promise. The Twins have gotten a pretty good return for Scott Tyler and Travis Boyer! They got Luis Castillo who got Drew Buetera (and Dustin Martin) who got Miguel Sulbaran who got Nunez who now got Mejia. Not bad starting with a 20th round draft choice in 1999!

Nova's a free agent after the season why trade for now? I personally don't like him. Another strikeout challenged righty who hasn't been good in four years. Sub 100 ERA+ each year since 2013.

I will merge this with the Fangraphs thread. I hope you don't mind Mike, I updated the title to make it clear nationally discussed Twins talk is welcome here. Global talk should be welcome too I supposed.

I don't know, everyone wants Anthony gone which seems like an indictment on his GM skills. Aren't we just going to hear a ton of complaining if Anthony moves these guys for a bunch of cash considerations or PTBNLs? Even if he snags an actual living breathing human, what if everyone collectively agrees it was a terrible trade? I want space for Polanco, Berrios and Chargois but I think the likelyhood of what will appear to be a poor trade has to be acknowledged because for some reason there seems to be an expectation that the simple act of making numerous trades is going to satiate the collective appetite of Twins fans; why isn't there any trepidation that we will be eating rotten eggs?

I'm not against trading Santana, but I'd hate to make a move and then when the new GM gets here we all see that the move doesn't really fit with the direction the new guy or gal has in mind. If there's a no-brainer offer take it, if there's not, trade or don't trade Santana when the new GM gets to town. Because I'm still assuming that those in favor of trading Santana are also in favor of a new GM that's not Anthony. If you don't want him here next year but you still really want him to make a trade now, it's going to be pretty hard to complain if that trade is disappointing now or in the future.

That's probably for the best or they would have probably been stuck pretending to read Ash's resume. I'm sure he would have bought them a beer though!

I went in expecting some heart-wrenching stories because in the back of my mind I know we as fans are monsters who have a real hard time connecting these guys as a commodity to these guys as actual humans. However, most of those guys didn't sound too upset about trades and I suppose from the get-go, these guys always know their residency is not stable. Plenty of other jobs require relocation as well I suppose. My favorite part was Dan Haren, 1) because I didn't remember that he pitched as recently as last year, and 2) he pays attention to his FIP?!? Fantastic, I guess not all players think that stuff is mumbo jumbo. Also the Sam Fuld bit was interesting. He liked Minneapolis but was happy to go to a contender that needed him. Also it was Rob Anthony, not Terry Ryan who informed him AND it was at 1AM.

I can feel it, the anxiety around here is building, people are dying for some trade news. When the Twins were good they were loathe to part with young players to improve the club, when the club was bad they were so bad that they didn't have anything worth trading. Now we sit here with perhaps not exciting, but certainly plentiful trade chips. There have been rumblings about Ervin Santana, Ricky Nolasco, Tommy Milone, Eduardo Nunez, Eduardo Escobar, Kurt Suzuki, Brian Dozier and Kyle Gibson along with what seems like the entire bullpen. I'm itching for a trade, everyone's itching for a trade, but should we actually scratch it? The Twins just hired a search firm to find them a new GM at minimum and perhaps a whole new organizational structure as many of us have been hoping for. While recognizing that he is a stand-up guy, removing Terry Ryan from his GM post received nearly unanimous approval here at Twins Daily, nearly as unanimous is the belief that the next man or woman calling the shots should not come from within the current organization, including interim GM Rob Anthony. Aside from Kurt Suzuki, every player on the roster is controllable beyond this year. I'm not saying the current folks in charge are not capable, but if the consensus is that someone new should be in charge, should we really be hoping for a huge roster overhaul now? Wouldn't conventional wisdom suggest that we wait for the permanent man or woman make those calls this off-season? These are my thoughts while I read Twins Daily the last few days as there is a clear tension regarding the trade deadline. I have cravings for a trade, however logic says to wait. But hold on, but does logic really say to wait? Because I also want Jose Berrios, JT Chargois and Jorge Polanco up ASAP, they have been down in the minors much longer than they reasonably should. I care about getting them up and running and hopefully ready to contribute positively by 2017 more than I care about which mid-level prospects come back in a trade. That means getting them at minimum an extra month of MLB playing time. Therefore, aside from trading Suzuki who will be a free agent anyway, I prefer Anthony to move just enough guys to clear room on the 25-man for those three youngsters above. If I had my druthers, I'd trade Nunez as his value will likely never be higher and his spot presents a clear path for Polanco. Assuming Nolasco and Milone cannot be traded, I may just prefer cutting ties with both come August 2nd to open spots for Chargois and Berrios, moving Trevor May back to the rotation. So my bottom line is, I would prefer Rob Anthony make only a couple of trades for the sole and explicit purpose of making room for the younger players who are ready now. I would prefer to let the next person in charge make all remaining necessary moves.

Well it got Glen Taylor to break up the Country Club. One down, one to go. This is good news. This firm surely has a vested interest in the Twins succeeding based on their work as they can then tout that accomplishment. With that said, they'll likely suggest if not encourage Pohlad to hire a President of Baseball Operations who then can chose his or her own management structure. Hopefully they would then also back off of the Molitor guarantee and suggest waiting until after the season is over to get the best candidates available. Basically, they can change perception after that awful press conference.

I think the main take away from this is that Kyle Lohse is now available.

This time of year every team values their players way to high, at least to the media. I think we need to wait at least a week to make blanket statements if we want to make them at all.