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I wonder how many teams fans are sitting around right now wondering, I wonder what package we could offer for Berrios?

Pitching is gonna kill this club.

Just use MarGo at 3rd and then you have Gordon as a utility man.

Nice, but they need a starter!! He had a great season last year. Hope he can keep that going.

Just move the Twins corporate offices to like Santa Barbara or something like that. They don't need to know that the team plays in Minnesota, once they sign their deal in the Santa Barbara offices they will be stuck??

No I know, he was terrible last year when they put him in the bullpen. He had that glimps of success the year before in his first 5 or so starts. Looked like he had real promise then kinda fell apart. Maybe he has learned something or found something that he didn't have the year before??

I wonder if they will give Fernando Romero another shot at starting this spring?

They have Cespedes hanging around in there also. He is listed as probable to start the season.

I think the problem is that these teams all need their Syndergaard's way more than they need their Buxton's and Rosario's right now. Almost every team is all in right now to at least make the wild card. Tampa Bay a year or two ago were dumping guys, but they already had their replacements in hand. So Cleveland dumping Kluber isn't really a sign that they have given up either, they already have real good young pitchers to take over. I don't think there is any way anyone will pry a Syndergaard away from the Mets. I mean they are signing 4th and 5th guys for the rotation as we speak, guys like Porcello. You are not going out there and shoring up your rotation for the beginning of the year only to dump one of your best guys. I mean in order to get someone like that it would have to be such an extreme overpay where they couldn't refuse. No one, especially the Twins will offer up some crazy overpay. Right now, for whatever reason, almost all of the teams are all in. Not only that, but almost all teams value their systems more than they used to. So the Twins and a few other teams would develop within and teams like the Dodgers would be out buying whoever they could and would dump their minor league depth in order to do so. But not anymore. Everyone is holding on. Only way a mega deal gets done is at the deadline.

So only 6 dudes have come through the draft. Scary for a team that has to rely on building from within.

Not that this is any better, but it's the 3rd. Odorizzi accepts QA realistically would be the #1.

I'm glad they re-signed him. Seems like he is able to get important outs, albeit he is not a 9th inning guy, more like a late 7th or early 8th inning dude.

Im from up there in Twins country, but I've lived in Southern California for the last 20+ years and Angels fans complain about Pujols contract, they complain about Hamilton, Mo Vaughn, etc... It goes on and on about who they complain about as a waste of money.

IDK Madbum has gone over 200 innings in 7 of the last 9 years. Last year on a terrible Giants team he pitches 207 innings and had over 200 K's, I mean what a bullpen savior. If they can get both Berrios and Madbum to go over 200 innings then guys like Odorizzi don't hurt quite as much. I mean I'd say he is worth 5 years 100 mill. If he pitches well in 3 of those seasons and average in one and poorly in one then that would prob be worth it. 5 years from now it will prob be tear down time anyway?

Twins need to make Ryu an offer, Madbum an offer, Cole an offer, Stasburg an offer, Tehran an offer, etc..... Offer all of them. Offer Cole the biggest contract possible, then force the Angels to outbid us, drive his price up, that, if the Twins don't get Cole, would hurt the Angels bottom line for a few years. Offer Madbum 4 years, offer Ryu a big contract, then if teams outbid the Twins it will hurt their bottom lines also. Put bids out on all of them, maybe we don't get any of them, but instead of reacting to the market, drive the market. Give competitive offers to all of them if one signs then pull the other offers. Tehran reminds me sort of like Ervin Santana. He has been fairly consistent in his career, has at times looks real good and other times just been average but he doesn't ever seen to be terrible. Maybe he has the ability to put together one superior season like Ervin did? Baily kinda reminds me of Anibal Sanchez. Bailey when he came up had tons of potential, kind of bogged down on a poor team and then found a new home last year maybe made some changes and produced. The nice thing about a guy like that is you can take a chance on him and just cut bait if it doesn't work. The Twins even if they lucked out and got some Cole in their Christmas stocking, could still celebrate with some Baily's and it might work out? If not you're really not down anything. Again I think the Twins need to put out the market value offers or maybe just a tick above to all of the big names right now. If one takes the offer then pull the rest, but drive the market, force the other teams to outbid us. I think maybe we did that with Wheeler, if we offered him 100 million, then the Phils had to pay more. Offer all of them win one of them, or force the other teams to overpay.

I think right now, if the Twins had Castillo, or Syndergaard, would they be looking for packages to trade them for? I mean are the Twins shopping Berrios if the right package of minor Leaguers came along? I just don't see why, before a season starts, that a team would be shopping their frontline starting pitching? I mean I just dont get it. These teams are going to wait until they are mathematically eliminated from contention before looking to off load guys like that.

They need to sign an impact starter, the easiest thing to do is to just do it. Quit diddledadling around and just do it. Then bring back Pineda, and you got something for the stretch run. Use the mixture of arms to fill out the #5 guy, and Pineda's spot for his time off.

How much did he turn down to stay in Washington?

In Australia? A spider bite? A snake bite? Hopefully it wasn't similar to the Skaggs incident.

I personally don't usually see teams that have won 101 game trade starters off that team and replace them with unproven Milb ballplayers and then get better? That usually does not happen, I mean we can use TB and the Archer trade, but they got studs back for him, not oil can Boyd. Anyways I really believe that Cole wants to go to the Angels, So-Cal etc... However, I am all in on offering him something crazy like 8/280, because if the Angels can't pony up then you have him! If they do pony up, then it makes it real difficult for them to be any sort of a player on anyone else during the off-season. I mean with giant contracts to Trout, Pujols, and if Cole signs and Ohtani etc... They might be stuck without much more flexibility in the rest of the market essentially erasing them out of the equation for the other free agents? So yeah offer Cole big money, but I wouldn't trade starters for middle of the road pitchers IMO.

Twins need to be in on everyone.

It may have irritated me also had Boone won the award just because I absolutely hate the Yankees so much. But on the flip side, he did a magnificent job holding that team together with all those injuries all season, not to mention they didn't even make a big deadline splash like they usually do. Boone to me actually did a great job, whereas many of the Yankee managers of the past didn't impress me that much just because they had everything, but I really thought Boone did a great job holding that ship together with all those injuries all year.

No one is promised anything, look at the Red Sox coming off winning a world series??

How far is North Carolina from Atlanta in comparison to Minnesota from Atlanta? It would be like a kid who grew up somewhere in South Dakota choosing the Twins over the Braves because he is closer to home.

I think from the reports that I have heard is that madbum is probably going to the Braves, close to where he grew up. So it will probably have to be Wheeler that the Twins pursue?