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I was happy to be just plain ignorant. But now I see that is not enough. All I can hope for is to be sufficiently ignorant, so as to keep up!
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Ervin Santana: To Trade Or Not To Trade?
Platoon replied to Cody Christie's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
The Twins aren't going to keep winning this year with or without Santana. Not unless some dramatic change in the pitching staff, both SP and RP is made. And I frankly do not see that happening. There is no good answer to this question, but there are several options to choose from. IF I can get two solid, close to MLB prospects I would probably pull the trigger. And the main reason is numbers. The team has an almost bare cupboard in MiLB, and a serious lack of depth, not to speak of quality on the MLB roster. The shortages are mind boggling. In a normal situation guys like Chief are correct, you can't keep trading for the next shiny object. We could hope the Twins would keep Ervin, and go ape bleep crazy in the FA market, but that ain't gonna happen. The Twins problem isnt upgrading a MLB staff, it's acquiring one.- 237 replies
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At this juncture I would not trade Santana. The only reason I would consider it is if the haul included a couple of the very hard to define "solid SP prospects". And the only reason for that is this team need numbers so badly. It does little good to have an Ace, if the bottom 2-3 of the rotation is cannon fodder.
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Two distinct ways to go pointed out here. In the old world, Dozier would likely already have an extension, and Gordon and Vielma would be 28 when they are called up. Hopefully that changes. On this roster I could still see moving Dozier, sliding Polanco over, bringing up the glove first Vielma, and considering moving Gordon also. I still think the offense on this team will only continue to solidify. And the oddity about BD to me remains this. We consider him to valueable to trade, but no one will give us anything for him. Or at least hasn't so far.
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Concur with the Goat Guy. The best thing about Kinglzer being the closer, is they won't be bringing him in with men already on base. The bad thing about him being a closer is he will break your heart more often than it deserves to be broken. Elite closers are good to have and hard to find. Kintzler doe seem to have the mentality for the job. He just doesn't have the stuff to reach the next level.
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The tough part about this conversation is the fact that they don't need just a pitcher, they need a plethora of pitchers, both RP and SP. It's almost gotten to the point where the team needs a private jet to cart them from back and forth from Roch or Chattanooga. Btw, after years of needing 7 catchers on the roster, or so it seemed, I now see EE caught last night in a non emergency situation. Gardy would be appalled at the lack of respect for the game.
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In the past he would have been predictably brought back into his old spot, and spent several weeks struggling. Hopefully with the new regime we are past that form deferential veteran treatment. Perkins at 96 was a nice piece of the bullpen. Perkins at 86 will not be. It's a shame to say it, but I am in the 0% camp also.
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While I haven't watched any of these guys, I do totally agree with the timeline theory. The teams window is just starting to open. Position wise it will be wide open next year. After that there is likely 4 years before things start happening, free agency, contract extension discussions, etc. Having these position players without pitching, is like a good NFL team missing a top flight QB. Hair pulling frustration!
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Twins Home Run Hitters Not Created Equal
Platoon commented on Ted Schwerzler 's blog entry in Off The Baggy
".........became the most coveted second basemen in baseball." I wish the Dodgers had believed that! . The bottom line between Dozer and Sano is that a pitcher can control Doziers power, but can do nothing to stop Sano. Doziers true value would/could be as an on base machine, gap power, and a pretty good baserunner. Add to that an acceptable second baseman and seemingly a good clubhouse guy. His power with RISP can be mitigated with good control, AKA bearing down. In Sano's case the only one who can stop him, is him! He can hit any strike, to anywhere. And I think he is just getting started. He will terrorize MLB pitchers for years to come! Dozier on the other hand will find it very difficult to ever approach last years numbers. MLB pitchers aren't fools, and they won't let you hit pop flies over the flower beds forever. -
You failed to consider the source! .
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But we are even with the Astros (first place) and ahead of the Cubbies! . Our rebuilds are all on the same path, and level.
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To an extent I would agree with you but I didn't want to turn it into a BD rant. 42 HR's last year (30 solo?) was nice. So is a hole in one during the Masters, during a round of 93.
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Twins Sending A Message With New Arm
Platoon commented on Ted Schwerzler 's blog entry in Off The Baggy
So if your reports on Tonkin/Wimmers are correct, Molitor again dissed the FO choice, Tonkin, with playing time. I don't think that's a good way to promote job security. There may be happy feel good reports about metrics emanating out of One Twins Way, but the on field goings on often seem to go differently. -
Someone proclaimed him a potential solid #3 SP eventually. I bet we will find that to be something we would wish we had, in the very near future. There is nothing at all wrong with Brian Dozier. But the big difference is we have replacements for Brian Dozier. They may not be completely MLB ready, but they have a ceiling. But most of the time we can't even find a #5 starter, not to speak of a #3. I don't know how DeLeon will turn out, but I bet he wil be better than ???? that is our current non 5th starter. That's the part of the non Dozier trade that I feel was missed. Not only is Dire Straights a great name for a band, it's a great name for our pitching staff.
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Despite the recent losses (whuppings), this is a much more interesting team to watch than in the previous who knows how many years. The young position players have a lot of ceiling left. But my lack of investiture and optimism stems from the inability to see a path forward to a competent pitching staff. There are several factors involved. Injuries to high end RP prospects have been brutal. as have some injuries to the SP rotation. The overall lack of pitching depth in the orginisation is now very apparent. While some FO moves have been questioned, they are at least making moves, but there really are not a lot of options. What is also disheartening is that our prime trade piece was found to have little value. And I certainly would not trade any of the young position players, we frankly have no replacements. Rebuilding this pitching staff is going to take time, luck, and imagination. Lastly Molitor. He needs to go. At best he might be suited for a veteran offensive lineup. At worst, he is the manager of the Twins!
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The Beat Without A Sound For Twins
Platoon commented on Ted Schwerzler 's blog entry in Off The Baggy
I sympathize with beat guys, they are virtually part of the team. The radio and TV guys are part of the team. It's the way baseball rolls. I think guys like LEN3 and Bernadino are good guys, and decent reporters. But frankly the only thing interesting you ever get from them is LEN3's preview of Florida eating spots in March. The rest is spoon feed mush. Reusse is bashed on these pages regularly, and I will be after the following. Reusse likely knows as much about baseball as most of the coaching staff. I am not talking about how to hold a split fingered FB. But grew up int the game, he knows how players react, he appreciates the length of the season. He knows you cannot win for any length of time with crappy pitching, He is not afraid to say the cupboard is barer than most think. Guys like him give you an opinion, and it isn't always agreeable and doesn't always turn into fact. But it's their opinion, not the current one from the FO. The focus on Sano, Buxton, Kepler, Polanco, and Berrios is understandable. They are an exciting core. And I will freely admit I have no idea how in the bleep they are going to solve the pitching problems. But until they do, a group of awfully good young baseball players are going to go to waste! Molitor is a huge part of the problem, and he has to go. But until the pitching improves, his complete lack of acuity is relatively harmless! -
Game Thread Twins vs. Astros 5/30 @ 7:10 CT
Platoon replied to gocgo's topic in Archived Game Threads
48 hours? More like 6 years! -
The Twins need pitching. There was a period a few weeks ago where weather the schedule and magic jelly beans gave the illusion that they had a little. Reality has struck. I say this not because of current results but because of track record. Bullpen analysis can be shortened to this: Brandon Kinzler is your closer. Your SP this: The struggle to announce a 5th starter three weeks in a row. The Twins are in a tough spot. Woeful lack of SP and RP depth, and not enough quality position depth to trade for pitching. There future is tied to mostly guys in Mpls already. Their only real trade chip, Dozier, has proven to have not much trade value. I am not a huge FA fan, but this winter Pohlad is going to have to oil the hinges on the bank vault.
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Th depths of despair for a MiLB reliever would be to find out the the Twins didn't think you fit into their MLB bullpen rotation!
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My belief that this team is Iron pyrite is based on things like today. Poor pitching, and questionable managing. There are things to like, the defense is pretty good, and the hitting still has a lot of ceiling left. But the pitching woes will be magnified once they cannot start Santana every third game, and any reliever worth trotting out there will be burnt to a crisp in two weeks. It's not even June and we cannot identify 5 starters.
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Actuallly they are intertwined. One can make too many moves, or not enough. And it's the feel for the game that determines that. And I don't think he has one. You can set anyone in front of a spread sheet before a game, and he can read it, and set a lineup based on the numbers. But when injuries, extra innings, and emergency call ups rear their inconvenient head, that's where the seat of your pants comes in. Nor are there any handy stats that will tell you whether to PH or pinch run a singles hitter for you DH with extra AB's left in the game.
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Trust me, it hurt deeply to write that. But I kept an empty waste basket next to me and typed it anyway. Just think if you were RG, and a debate raged over your defensive acumen, over that of a reserve infielder who's only appearance in the OF was to run sprints!
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I know this is a bullpen thread, but let's not forget the starting staff, all 3 1/2 of them.
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I preface the following knowing Molitor is going nowhere because if you were not allowed to change managers last winter, you won't be allowed to whence in first place. That said, Molitor has always burned his bullpen guys. He sits there and begs for pitchers one day, and refuses to use the the replacements the next. I agree the pitchers brought up weren't exactly Cy Young caliber, but in this situation they should have been used. This is not an isolated incident nor is his use of pitch runners for a DH when down 4 runs, or incessant odd bunts. Today when up 6 late he could have lost the DH, put RG in LF and PH for the pitchers spot since they were likely all one inning appearances anyway. This may seems very silly to say about a guy who has been in baseball that long, but he just does not seem to have a feel for the game. He gives the appearance of sometimes making move solely to make moves. Sometimes a manger needs to simply sit on his hands, and sometimes he needs to use both of them. He doesn't seem to understand the difference.
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The 5 Most Shocking Twins Stats So Far
Platoon replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
The BABIP rate is one of those numbers that is like so many others. It's quoted often, but it's more complex than that. You hit line drives, your number can really be insane. You hit pop ups, and it's inane. And it's still dissed if it's too high, and dismissed if it's too low. As for RG, he has the great eye, and the patience. But like the bottom of the order hitter he is I always wondered this? Why nibble and increase his ability to get on base to around 1.000 by walking him. Make him (them) hit the ball, and lower it to their lifetime .250 average, which is why they are in those spots to start with. This isn't facing Sano and being forced to throw strikes, there is just nothing to lose here.
