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They should not be "buying" rental guys this year in my opinion. I am fine if you want to buy longer term options, but really we need to hope our internal options can be long term fits. I do not feel IF is a need with options of Lewis(hopefully getting out of a slump), Lee, Keashall, Maybe Culpepper next year, Julien as possible option. Catcher or DH could be a good add but again not as a rental, unless you are moving someone else to shuffle around.
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I would not say no to having him come in as part of a trade, but I agree that you can get better return for even a rental lefty arm than a right handed first baseman that is weak defender. Maybe he can be a good hitter, but that is his only shot.
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I have long said for small to mid-market teams this is the best way to stay relevant for years. Will you ever be "favored" to win? No. However, you will continue to be relevant and can make some moves if needed to get into the playoffs hopefully and get on a hot streak. If you constantly make win now moves you deplete your farm system, which is used to not only fill your own needs, but to be used to fill needs through trade. When the system is bare you run out of trades. Moving guys at peak value, assuming you have someone that can fill in, maybe not as good, but with not much regression helps keep that. I could see some moves of pen guys with control years for the right returns, or starting pitching. The question is not if the player is good, but how much better are they than their replacement you have, and what kind of return can you get. In terms of position players, Castro would be one of the guys to sell on, but being he is FA after this year his return will be less. Larnach or Wallner are both guys you can trade but neither are lighting the world on fire, and Wallner has several years of control. Both play a position that is easy to fill so they have less trade value as well. France is not just worth much and teams will not give up anything for him. The Vasquez could fetch something, if the Twins ate the money, if not most teams would not give up much. Jeffers has value, but who do we have to replace him, nothing really, so unless there is another trade to fill that hole it leaves us behind for next several years. Clemons you could maybe get a lottery ticket prospect due to how he is doing, but he lacks the track record for much value. Every other position player either will not net much of return, or you want to keep for now. However, I could see some shifting moves of moving some of our middle infield depth to get a catcher for the future, then trade Jeffers for some pitching, and trade the pen guys or a starter to supplement the farm.
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I got no issue of Clemons over France, but neither are that amazing and would be fine with bring up someone else to fill in there as well. I do disagree with one statement that clutch hitting is "random". I get the thought on it, but I do believe there is such a thing as a clutch hitter and not a clutch hitter. Now for a guy like France who seems to only get hits in those situations may be a little more random. It in part could be their ability to hit off-speed pitches. I say this because many times in non-clutch you see more fastballs and pitches to get ahead in counts and try to get balls in play. However, when guys are are on base in high leverage situations, pitchers will mix in more pitches, try to keep them off balanced and try to hit more corners. Doing well in those at-bats can help you be clutch.
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I say in every trade situation, if the team does not believe they can play a good second half to push into post season, as a wild card, then you should trade any FA that can get anything back of value. In terms of the guys with years of control that takes a little more thought.
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I know nothing about any of these kids and history says 2 things, most of them will never make the majors, but also there will be a wow cannot believe he was picked that late. The Twins have got late inning pitchers to jump up prospect lists over the years. Enter Justin Mitrovich. My guess he adds to his fastball and jumps up the list next year similar to many other guys that were not top picks and we were like where did that come from.
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The fact that Raya went 6 innings is huge. He has gone 6, 6, 5, and 5 over last 4 which is huge for him. Over the years they never let him go more than like 3. Debarge is a throw back type guy and I do not think he will fit in the Twins plans. We have a lot of depth at middle infield and unless he becomes a good utility type guy he will be either traded or sit in AAA most of the time. He has little power, and his average is not great. He does take some good walks, but that will have to be seen how it changes in upper leagues when they have better control. Yes, his speed will be an asset, but unless he is elite defender or elite hitter, having top speed is more of a playoff need. I could see him getting playoff runs if he sticks around to be late inning runner.
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Gabriel Gonzalez is Back on the Prospect Map
Trov replied to Matt Braun's topic in Twins Minor League Talk
The only question is how much of his average is sustainable. The highlights make it looks like his hits are solid line drives, which is sustainable for high babip. He is not a guy that steals bases or hits for a ton of power, 7 HR so far this year, 5 last year, but he did get 18 two years ago, so the drop off to 5 was a huge concern. He will slot in as a corner OF, which already lowers his prospect status. However, if he can hit like he has shown every year but last year. It makes you wonder if the change in organizations messed with him. Hopefully he can keep it up and be talked out as a possible guy in next year or two. -
MLB draft is always about the best available. You would rather have 5 SS that are fighting for at-bats and move to other positions, or be valuable trade chips, than no SS. Teams are always looking for viable MLB SS that can defend, worst case one does not make it, best case, both make it and one plays a different position. Other option is one gets traded for other needs, because teams will always be willing to take on a MLB SS.
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He may stick down there for rest of season to try to get AA into post season. Organizations like to get players into the post-season to get those extra games, but get the players to play in them too.
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You cannot have too many SS. He is expected to be able to stay there, but if his bat is not great, worst case, he should be a guy that can backup and be a utility guy. Unless he just takes off with the bat, he will be like a 3 to 4 year minor league guy and will be on timeline to fill in when CC and Lewis are done here.
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Nice to see the guys in AA pushing. Culpepper may be forcing a move to AAA by end of season and be a guy for early call up next year at this rate. Gonzalez if he can keep on this path will be a huge win in the Polanco trade.
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I doubt they do it this year, unless they 1 are fully set on selling at deadline, and 2 the deal is just too good to pass up. Because he has 2 years of control we can still move him in off-season or next year sometime if we feel the right deal comes along, assuming he is not willing to sign with us. My guess he will not sign with us, because he will be 31 at FA, and he will want that 1 big deal like 5 years and we will not do that, but a big market team will.
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For a few years E-Rod was considered one of the untouchable players in the system, that you only trade if you can get a major player back. However, he may be stepping out of the untouchable prospect and into the piece to tangle for a decent trade now. First, he has continued to do the what if he can just be healthy guy. When healthy he has lit up the offense, but as pointed out by some he may struggle some at MLB level if he does not adjust. Do you trade him before he gets tested at MLB level? He has not lit up AAA and in part may be due to injury, or now that he is facing better pitching his issues at the plate are cropping up, or just still needing to fully adjust to the league. The other reason I bring this up is he clearly still has trade value as a prospect but Walker Jenkins is ahead of him on the OF list. Wallner still has years of control and has shown he can be counted on, even with his recent slump. Buck has stayed healthy and still under contract for a few years. That leaves no clear starting place moving forward for E-Rod. In addition, Gabriel Gonzalez is having a great year and can clearly slot into a corner OF spot. To get Keaschall's bat into the line up he could go into LF, he has played some CF in past. I am one that says corner outfielders hold little value unless they are elite hitters or defenders and above average at other. Mainly because they can get filled in by many options. This is where E-Rod being a possible CF does help his value still. With Buck in front and Jenkins being most likely the future CF and other guys being able to fill in the other spots there is clearly a chance he could be traded to net something. I want to make clear I am not saying they should, but with him not making the huge step this year, and others below him in current rankings rising up that can take over for him it makes it a possible good time to put him in a better trade package. That is how quickly a player who looked like an 'untouchable' becomes very much tradeable.
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It is great to see Jenkins healthy and doing his thing. I could see him break camp next year if healthy and the team is pushing for that extra draft pick, but more likely they will hold him back to keep that extra year of control. His combo of speed and plate discipline will be huge. The big question will be how does he handle left handed pitchers. His first year in minors he did just fine in SSS. Second year was not so good, still only 61 PA, but hist OBP and Slugging was much lower than against righties. Still he looks like he will be taking over CF for Buck in the future, but with way Buck is playing not sure when that will be.
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If they do they are waiving the white flag on this season. It would take some good pieces to get it done. With no clear replacement in our system right now, or next year making us have to dive into the FA or trade market ourselves. If you can get some pitching options that are clear higher upsides than what we have great, but just not sure there is a ton out there.
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It is not about controlling him it is about the fact they do not need to add him yet. Once you add him then you need to keep him or lose him if you remove him, but if you wait until next year then you can put someone else on 40 man to protect from rule 5. Not sure what decisions need to be made on that right now, sure FO does. I am a fan of the kid and hope he can make it to majors and contribute, but I would get if they waited until next year to add him to 40 man. That is why I do not get all the fans that want every possible prospect called up asap, "to see what they can do" because if they cannot do it right away then you have a wasted 40 man roster spot if you did not need to use it. Then they get exposed to waivers. If they are truly a top prospect they get claimed at minimum by a team like the A's who can afford to stash them on 40 man while they lose.
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No way should you look to move Lewis right now, unless a team blows you away with an offer, but with his value about as low as can be no way. No player is untouchable but bad moves trading guys at their low point in value. In terms of the corner OF they have little value. Wallner right now not hitting, so he has little value and Larnach has been fine, but not elite. Neither will net anything other than a middle pen guy that is just above a DFA pickup, or a low level lottery ticket prospect. Unless you are an elite hitter at corner OF, they are a dime a dozen. Even elite fielding corner guys are easy to replace. Yes, Wallner has shown elite power when he is on, so a team may take a flier on him, but knowing he will not net much, unless a team really thinks they can get him right again and willing to over pay for him. I get we have plenty of guys that can fill in, but that is my point, so do many other teams. Jax or Duran would be selling moves, not reshuffling moves. If the team thinks they can make the playoffs you do not trade elite pen guys because in the playoffs you need them more than any other time. You need to make sure you can lock down as many innings as you can. It is not just about the 9th, it is about knowing that if your starter can go 5 or 6 solid, you got guys that will lock down the end. If either get traded the team is saying, we are selling, unless you can get a guy in return that is close and can replace and add some prospects. However, why would a team have a guy that is nearly as good as what we are giving up in a trade?
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Twins Minor League Report (7/2): Anyone Have Any Offense?
Trov replied to Matt Braun's topic in Twins Minor League Talk
Well he has been terrible down in AAA since he got sent down. Yeah, Wallner has been as bad at the plate, but Wallner is better on defense, which is not saying a ton but his arm is extra elite, plus Wallner has shown he can hit at MLB level. So beyond him who would you put him in line up for? Bader glove is too good to take out for a hope the guy can hit, despite his terrible few at bats. Larnach is doing just fine, no need to pull him. Buck I think not.- 22 replies
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Many fans here wanted the Twins to go after Goldschmidt, and the Twins did not at all. It may have been budget or it may have been ability. Twins signed France and he has been average overall. Not going to compare contracts at all, but Goldschmidt signed a bigger deal to play for the Yankees. When Yankees were crushing the first 2 months he looked the the Goldschmidt of years past, not the one St. Louis dumped. Looking like the former MVP guy fans were upset we did not try to make a bid for him. However, June hit and Goldschmidt became a huge negative. He slashed .143/.226/.238 for OPS of .464 and OPS+ of 31. It is possible he evens out and does the rest of the year similar to what he did last year, or he just continues to be an almost automatic out for Yankees and gets the DFA. He is still putting up big numbers against lefties, so a platoon may be in order for him, and for some reason he cannot hit at Yankee stadium compared to all road games. I am glad to see the Yankees do terrible in June, just like they did last year. I hope they continue to do terrible. I do not wish Goldschmidt any ill will, but it looks like he may be finally cooked as a MLB player, or just a terrible run. My guess he gets platooned the rest of the year.
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This is the same reason you see so many SS or CF drafted. Many will not stay at those positions, but if they can defend them they have so much more value, even better when they have a bat. However, if you take a guy that is limited on defense, he better hit a ton to have value. Many times people look at the bat as the only reason a guy should stay in a line up, but having an ability to play defense and have a passable bat is better than a guy with a good bat but terrible defense. Which is why when you have an elite defender and hitter they are worth a ton of money.
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So the article said the list was the most "significant" which is a loaded word and can be read several ways. Like at catcher Posey was very significant, because he changed the rules of the game as we know them. When he broke his leg blocking the plate getting run over the rules changed, that alone makes him significant. The fact that he was a MVP candidate is what made the rule change too. If it was back catcher it may not have happened, and people would have said tough break. Molina was a guy that no one would steal on, and he would throw behind the runners. I think Joe could have been ahead of him, but Molina and Posey also spent full career at catcher. Santana I fully agree should have been mentioned, and if we could have won a playoff series with him maybe he would have. He was a dominate pitcher but never went beyond round 1, and even lost a few of his starts in the playoffs. That is what people will remember too if you even think of the Twins. Nathan, I loved the guy and he got the job done in the regular season, but he was not great in the playoffs. Again, he did not have those moments in the playoffs you remember for shutting a team down. Not fully his fault, and maybe could have bounced Wagner, Jansen, or Kimbrel on the list.
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It continues to be stories like Klein that tell you the FO and the minor development coaches are a strong team for developing pitching. How many late round, or undrafted out of no where guys do they need to develop to have that cemented? I know some fans want the high end 'Ace' drafted and developed, but they have tried to draft some of them, only to have tons of injuries pile up for them. The fact that they can get guys that may give quality MLB innings not from top draft picks helps so much.
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