laloesch

It would not surprise me one bit if the Twins slash payroll again this offseason ANY WAY they can, probably in the range of 20-25 million.

This. I think the Twins are in a bit of a conundrum. One the one hand they seem to have quite a few pieces in places for a strong rotation and the lineup, but the health issues are just plaguing them. The reduction in payroll is not helping at all either. If Buxton, Correa, and Lewis can't string together healthy seasons in unison, at some point the Twins have to move on, but the contracts unfortunately are albatrosses for both Buxton and Correa in that scenario.

Ain't that the truth. They did go Crazy Ivan and I'm sure Correa is not happy about it. He was probably sold a bill of goods on what the Twin's plans were going forward.

And honestly, A LOT of people can't afford $300 plus cable bills PLUS streaming packages for Hockey, Baseball, etc. They've priced themselves out of reach and it's starting to hurt revenues for these conglomerates. It's all swirling the drain, getting ready to be flushed.

I'm rooting for both Detroit and KC. Good for them! Really, good for them. Both those franchises came out of no-where so to speak and won wild card slots and knocked off favorites in the wild card round (Orioles and Astros). I also think the Royals have the pitching to beat the Yankees and Detroit can certainly beat the Guardians. They (Royals and Tigers) might end up facing each other in the ALCS.

I think Joe was quite defensive in his exchange with Aaron and he didn't really answer any of Gleeman's question just created word salad with no substance. Not promising.

Yeah. I don't get it either. How much of it is REALLY legit? You have to ask yourself that. I looked at the Royals lineup and EVERY one of their starters went at least 100 games (except their DH). 5 players went 130+. C - Salvador Prez 158 games 1B - Vinnie Pasquantino (10-day IL) 131 games 2B - Michael Massey 100 games SS - Bobby Witt Jr. 161 games (wow) 3B - Maikel Garcia 157 games (wow again) LF - MJ Melendez 135 games CF - Kyle Isbel 136 games RF - Hunter Renfroe 120 games DH - Nelson Velazquez (40 man) 64 games

Personally, I've been watching the Twins since the 80's when I was a young kid and this one stings unlike most of the previous ones. They just.....gave up in late August into September. Say what you want about losing multiple times for years to the Yankees, or the penny pinching by ownership, and the lack of moves by Falvey, the players just rolled over, no ifs ands or buts. It was truly disappointing to see. I will say this, they have the talent, and many of the rookies did a fine job filling in as injury replacements in the starting lineup, but in August it's like they all decided "meh were done we don't really care to make the playoffs," and turned in. Tom Kelly, Ron Gardenhire, and even past players like Torii Hunter, would never ever ever ever have put up with that nonsense. And I'll address the titanic elephant in the room. Baldelli needs to go. I was reluctant to voice my opinion on the matter but his handling of the starting pitching, bullpen, and subs is just cringe worthy. IDK what this guy is thinking but he shouldn't be manager. This team needs a Don Mattingly style manager, a leader that lights a fire under these guys when needed and can get them rolling in the right direction when things get tough. Baldelli is just not that kind of manager and that's a big problem long term. Again this team had enough to at least make the playoffs. Extremely disappointing. As a previous poster said, this division has now gotten extremely competitive. The Royals and Tigers are now playoff caliper teams along with the Guardians so it's going to be tough for a few years. Don't be surprised that if the Pohlads continue to pinch pennies that this team fades into mediocrity in the coming years. A collapse like this does one of two things, it galvanizes the players and the team to do better the following season, or they just accept it "meh we lost" fade and they become perennial losers with this core no matter what the talent which would be a shame. And the injuries hurt, there's no doubt about it, but the starting order has GOT to play more games next year. If you look at the Royals every one of their starters (except the DH) played at least 100 games and many were in the 130's. I also think owner totally dropped the ball on the Bally sports contract. They knew this was a problem heading into 2024 and it looks like they stood fast and let it play out instead of searching for alternatives. I still don't see a long term solution, but I'm not in the TC area so I'm not privy to what's happening on that front. If they don't address this expect more cuts to payroll which is bad, bad, bad.

Right now, I'm not even sure the Twins could beat the White Sox.

IMO this collapse we've witnessed the last 12-16 games is not because of youth or lack of payroll it's just them choking and badly. Rocco has lost them as well. He needs to be replaced.

It's a horrible contract, considering he's hurt almost as much as Byron Buxton is year in year out. This is an albatross contract and the Twins are stuck with it for at least the next 4 seasons. Easily the worst deal they've ever penciled on paper going back as long as I can remember. The Joe Mays deal was bad too, but not remotely on the same planet as far as dollars and sense go.

prepare to be disappointed even further if they can't iron out a new long term tv / media streaming contract as in slashing payroll down further by another 15-20 million.

I thought he was implying a spoonful of medicine would get this squad "flyin like a G6."

yeah if they lose 6 out of the next 9 which I fully expect to happen. Rocco might be in a pickle.

Definitely over. This team blew it down the stretch and gave up. All one has to do is look at the players in the dugout. No fire, no fight, just guys sitting on the bench, kicking the dirt, picking their noses, etc. Still 9 games left, but they've already accepted they are not gonna make it. It's truly pathetic.

Injuries have played a factor no doubt. But At SOME point the Twins just have to move on from these players that are consistently out 1/3 of the season EVERY season it seems (we all know who they are, and there are a few that are habitual at it). You can't field a competitive team when you have core players consistently missing time like this every year.

It doesn't really matter at this point. The Twins are in free-fall and will get passed by either the Mariners or the Red Sox, possibly both and will not make the playoffs. Ohhh well. It's not like they were going to win any playoff games outside of a wild card game anyways.

As good as SWR has been, you gotta feel for the guy. How many no decisions (no fault of his own) has he endured this season? 7 or 8? He should be close to 10 wins by now if the offense backed him better in those starts. I guess Bert Blyleven holds the record at 20 set in 1979.

If that is whom teams were insisting on asking for (Festa) in a trade I would have walked away as well, unless it was part of a deal for a frontline starter. Anything less, no.

Let the kids roll. I actually like this strategy rather than bringing in washed up veterans or retreads at the deadline. Matthrews and Festa getting their first taste of the majors is a positive heading into next year.

It takes years to get over plantar fasciitis. I know because I had it. If they really want to get rid of it, he needs to take an entire year off to be bluntly honest.

How are you gonna trade him when he can't stay healthy? The next step will be to trade Lewis, Lee, Ryan, Ober, Lopez. Time to start over.

Another opportunity missed by the Pohlads. This team is sooo close to being a major threat in the playoffs and yet they just sit back and whine about "it's so scary our TV revenues are up in the air." Such a silly excuse and at the worst possible moment. Take a risk for once and be bold. If I doesn't work you do what Miami does and dump a bunch of salaries.

That's debatable sometimes.