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This is all a matter of opinion, but I sway your way. I believe there are going to be two or three SPs that are #2/3 types that will be important for the next few years. Ryan and Winder look like they could be really important pieces and there are a few other guys who could be similar. Then, we have Jax and Alcala who have a chance to be the type of guys that are not spectacular but very effective and therefore important. I guess it's a matter of if we define core players as the stars of the team or players who are around for several years and perform consistently. I am hoping they use the opportunity provided by all the young talent to add a core SP via free agency. So, I am going to throw in a future core player in the form of Joe Musgrove or Carlos Rodon. Yes, I know they have been reluctant to give out long contracts to SPs but they have never been in this position financially. The only other place they need to spend is the BP. So, let a guy dream.
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So, you're saying that sports media should quit doing the assessment of how well teams do in trades until years later when it's all played out. No doubt those hundreds/thousands of conversations are speculative just like thousands of preseason conversations about which team will win contend. However, it's perfectly reasonable to value the return based on what is known at the time. Was it a top 10 prospect or an unknown? We can measure the relative return. I think any reasonable person understands the judgment is based on conjecture.
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You obviously don't understand. This is not a woulda situation it's a recap of the options because there are multiple possible scenarios where Berrios could still be part of this team. The recap illustrates that there is not a scenario where keeping Berrios would have made sense given his current level of performance. Obviously, the timeframe involved is the next 6 1/2 years so we won't know definitely until his contract has elapsed.
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Pondering a Nelson Cruz Reunion
Major League Ready replied to Cody Christie's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
I agree the dollars wouldn't get in the way if it were a good value proposition. However, every business decision has an investment vs payoff component which is why I framed it this way. I could have left out the dollars because it would be a poor decision if it cost nothing. -
In the context of future preference, there are a few scenarios to consider. We could have rode Berrios through this year and let him go at the end of the year. Alternatively, we could trade similar players and have Castillo or Montas through next year. So, not only would we get a pitcher who is performing vastly better, we would have that SP for next year. We also could have traded him for one of the rentals who are performing much better than Berrios. That would cost less in prospect capital than what we got for Berrios. We also could have given him 7 years. I would much rather that investment plus any additional $$ required and invest in Rodon / Taillon or Musgrove. All three look waaaaay better than Berrios given the current state of performance for all four players. Absolutely no way another team would give him the deal Toronto made at the end of this season unless he is superb the remainder of the year. I would take any of these options over Berrios in a heartbeat.
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By that logic we certainly don't want Frankie Mantas who has 3 wins and 9 losses.
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You are living in the past. At present, Berrios sucks!
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We will have to agree to disagree. I think it makes absolutely no sense to bitch about not having a guy who has performed poorly. Patrick Corbin was a well-established, top of the rotation SP. Now he sucks. Blake Snell won the Cy Yound award and he has been medioce for 3 years while in his prime. There are many similar scenarios. If Berrios turns it around .... Great, then complain about not having him but as of this moment, it defies any logic to suggest we would have missed his poor play.
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Pondering a Nelson Cruz Reunion
Major League Ready replied to Cody Christie's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
I would love to hear that conversation with Jim Pohlad. Hey Jim, what do you think of this idea. Let’s bring in Nelson Cruz who did very little for the Rays last year when they traded away a very good SP for him. It will cost us $4M in salary plus a $3M buyout and prospect capital. Prospect(s) plus $7M Jim Pohlad ... How has he been hitting. Falvey ... wRC+ of 88. However, he has been better lately. Since June 1st his wRC+ is 107. Pohlad ... So, what are your options without Cruz. Falvey ... We could rotate Arraez / Kirilloff and Miranda at DH. Pohlad ... How have they done lately (since June 1) Falvey .... 155/144/133 respectively. Pohlad .... Derek, have you been drinking? Of course, none of this takes into consideration that the other players can play a defensive position. The FO would consider this for 30 seconds or less because that's about how long it takes to realize the information above. -
SWR has 106 IP at AA and he is 21 yrs / 9 months old so it's not at all alarming he has not been promoted to AAA. Let's also be cognizant of the fact that Berrios is performing very poorly. He has an ERA of 5.72 and negative WAR. It's hard for me to understand why people are still wining about losing Berrios when he has been very poor. Let's bitch if he is great going forward but it makes little sense to complain about losing him at the moment.
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Game is tied 2-2 in the 8th or 9th with two outs and nobody on. Who do you want to take the AB instead of Buxton? Runner in scoring position, I would take Arraez / Correa or Kirilloff but the scenarios in which we are looking to trust someone are not all the same.
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I agree in general but I would not agree it has not been done. The Royals won the WS after Shields was gone and they did not have an Ace. Their top 4 SPs had a total of 7.7 WAR. Perhaps the more pertinent issue is that Berrios is definitely not an ace and even considering him a "strong" #2. is a little generous.
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Arraez / Correa / Buxton / Kirilloff / Polanco
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Bednar keeps coming up but he is not even arbitration eligible until 2024 so you wouldn't think the Pirates would trade him unless someone offers an absurd return.
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Wallner looks like the break-out guy among position players this year. He started slow but since the middle of May his wRC+ is 182 and his strike outs have come down to a manageable 28.4%. He is hitting .317 / slugging .669 and his OPS is 1.137.
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Miguel Sanó’s Looming Return
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20 days is the max rehab assignment for position players. 30 days for pitchers. -
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What are the chances a contender would give up a good RP for Sano? -
Miguel Sanó’s Looming Return
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They are on the hook for the rest of his salary and the buyout, so they are not really out anything if they pay his salary / buyout and trade him if that netted any sort of return. They could also trade him for partial salary relief or even just to get rid of the buyout cost. All of this won't matter because no team is going to bother if he does not look considerably better than he did preinjury. -
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Sanchez is not getting many DH bats now that Polanco and Kirilloff are back. They will be taken by one of Arraez / Kirilloff or Miranda. -
One thing is for sure if Ober gets healthy. Someone needs to go to the BP at that's without bringing back Winder. The ideal scenario would be if they could pull-off a 3-team trade sending one of Bundy / Archer to a team that would send us a good RP with more than 1 year of control and that team would receive a prospect from the team getting Archer Bundy and we would include a lesser prospect that is on our 40-man. We would still have Winder in case of injury to a SP.
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Miguel Sanó’s Looming Return
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Garlick against LH pitching is way more valuable than having Sano around unless of course he comes back much better than when he went down. I would not be surprised if Twins have already started shopping him so that interested teams can send scouts to monitor his progress. Hopefully, there is a team who believes he is the Jorge Soler of 2022 and takes him off our hands. -
Miguel Sanó’s Looming Return
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Moving someone off the 40-man is easy. Making room on the 26-man means Miranda or Kirilloff need to go down. They have a dilemma if he crushes it for 20 days in AAA. However, do you want to swap Kirilloff or Miranda for him if he looks anywhere near as bad as he did when he got injured. This is going to be interesting. My guess is that he is leaving the organization at the end of his rehab stint. Under what terms depends on how well he plays during those 20 days. -
Good point. I would think Beckham would be more valuable than Cave and more likely to find a home. Hopefully, these guys have a great July. The twins have some redundant pieces on the ML team too. It would be nice if they could turn these current assets into A ballers. Tatis Jr when he was traded for Shields might be a bit much to ask but some guys with reasonable upside would be a good deal.
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Berrios has an ERA of almost 6 so he is a VERY long way from an ace at this moment. As a matter of fact, he has a negative WAR. We will see how the remainder of his contract goes but Bundy has been better than Berrios so he certainly would not have helped getting us to the playoffs this year.
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You would think a team looking for help to cover up some outfield injuries would be interested in Cave.
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