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Do the Twins Have Baseball’s Best Bullpen?
Woof Bronzer replied to Ted Schwerzler 's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
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Just so everyone understands, since 1991 only 1 team with a payroll ranked lower than 18th in the league won the World Series. Spending does not guarantee you a title; not spending enough practically guarantees you won't win one. I think the assumption that the Twins are going to walk away with this division is extremely short sighted. I'm sure the same assumption was in play in 2011. And 2021. Windows always close faster than you think.
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They won a division that literally no other team tried to win (in fact Cleveland and Chicago actively tried to lose) They "advanced" in a playoff round that did not exist for baseball's first 120 years. Minnesota sports always has the lowest bar imaginable, but "FO is now untouchable after 1 playoff win in 7 years" is about as low as it gets. Dream bigger!
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Literally no one brought up the road vs home thing at the time and no front office cares about small sample size pitcher wins as a meaningful metric. (I'm guessing Ober was better at home too, as are most Twins pitchers given the friendly confines of Target Field.) If a pitcher can only be trusted at home then he can't be trusted period. You don't get to pick where you play the games.
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This is just not accurate. Business today is all about maximizing stockholder value or profits. (Recall Milton Friedman: "a corporation's only duty is to create profits for its shareholders" Big wigs who don't demonstrate immediate returns get fired. There is no long view. Ask, I don't know, the Pohlads, who do not seem to understand that investing in the team may cost money now but may also create a new generation of lifetime fans. It's all about short term profits for them.
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Those are fantasy ranking and can be summarily ignored. No one on the planet thinks Ryan and Ober would be #1 starters on a different team. The Twins certainly don't; they didn't trust Ryan to start game 1 of the ALDS on full rest. That is much more meaningful in terms of how the Twins value him than fantasy baseball ratings.
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Reading is hard. "And the D-backs are not yet done. They still have the payroll flexibility to add a right-handed-hitting designated hitter and make some minor additions to the bullpen." "As of today the Diamondbacks' payroll is estimated to be anywhere between $137-$143 million depending on the source and method of calculation. Already surpassing 2018's previous franchise high of $131 million, there has been much speculation about exactly how much higher ownership is willing to go. Ken Kendrick indicated following the Gurriel press conference they are not done spending yet, but declined to offer a specific number. It's been speculated by some that the number is $150 million, which would leave them between $7-13 million left to spend on free agents or absorb in trades." I can't imagine being so triggered by criticism of your favorite team that you must pretend that every other team acts in the exact same manner, forget how to read, and make up an alternative reality that fits your narrative. But hey, you can be whatever kind of fan you want to be. You do you! Have a good one.
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Here's a couple more links for your reading pleasure: https://www.si.com/mlb/diamondbacks/analysis/whats-next-for-the-diamondbacks-offseason https://www.mlb.com/news/dbacks-offseason-as-impressive-as-october I'll leave you with a direct quote from the Dbacks president: “We’d like to think we can have greater revenue streams going into next season, when more people want to come out and watch our team play,” Kendrick said. “And we’re going to re-invest. The Diamondbacks are going to go on the field this year with the highest payroll in the history of the team." Imagine anyone associated with the Twins saying this. You should seriously ask yourself why you defend this organization so desperately that you have to create an alternative reality to suit your narrative.
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The market has nothing to do with the Twins deciding to cut payroll. No one forced them to do that. The Dbacks are increasing payroll from last year and they have the same exact tv uncertainty we do. Reducing payroll and getting worse was a choice that the Twins made. We also traded for Mahle and Lopez and those were disasters. That's the thing, trades don't always work out. Relying solely on trades to improve your roster is basically rolling the dice.
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I too wish the Twins would show interest in building a consistent winner. I also think there are plenty of spots to spend $30mil (ahem, pitching) - seems like you are suggesting the team is so stacked they couldn't find a way to spend it. Which would be a take.
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To this fan at least, it makes zero sense to sign Correa to the biggest FA deal in team history and then after one year cut payroll and get worse. What's the point of signing a guy like that if you aren't really interested in consistently building a winning team around him during the length of the contract? Seriously, if it's all about the payroll just sign a scrap heap SS and spend the savings on other assets, pitching in particular.
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Not to speak for the poster, but I think a person can have 2 thoughts at the same time. 1) Correa is better than Brooks Lee at this point in their careers, and quite possibly Lee will never be the player Correa is/was. 2) under self-imposed salary constraints, allocating 1/4 of the team's payroll to 1 player isn't sustainable or particularly intelligent (especially given Correa's health issues), and the difference between Correa and Lee isn't enough to justify a premium north of $30 mil.
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The Twins turned down a $40mil 1 year extension from Bally's a year ago. And the Twins have come out and said how little a new deal will be worth - no better negotiating tactic to maximize the value of a deal by...publicly devaluing it. More genius decisions from those business wizards at 1 Twins Way.
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Depends. Is that business publicly subsidized? Has that business conversely reinvested higher-than-anticipated profits in positive years? Is cutting costs still going to allow the business to achieve its goals, or would a short term loss potentially lead to sustainable, long term gains? Lots of factors at play for a smart business person to consider.
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Do the Twins understand how businesses operate? Gotta spend money to make money. Gotta put a product out there that people want to buy. Deciding to make the product worse when there is more enthusiasm for your product than there has been in years is a terrible business decision, any MBA will tell you that. The Pohlads dipping into their own net worth and covering a $10-$20m revenue shortfall is the equivalent of about $200-$375 for the average American. So the Pohlads are burning down all the good will built up over the the end of the season in order to save themselves the equivalent of a couple phone bills. Again, unquestionably dumb business decision. Why anyone would defend the Twins at this point, who have been doing this sort of thing for decades, is just so far beyond my comprehension. Question: how are the mid market Dbacks, who also had a breakthrough season after years of futility, and who also have TV deal uncertainty of their own, handling this offseason?
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The Dodgers should be kicked out of baseball
Woof Bronzer replied to Battle ur tail off's topic in Other Baseball
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Revisiting the Final Inning of the 2023 Season
Woof Bronzer replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
There are 3 outcomes for a plate appearance: putting the ball in play, walking, or striking out. Eliminating a strikeout can only result in putting the ball in play (reaching base 30% of the time) or walking (100% of the time). There is a direct correlation between less strikeouts and more guys on base. -
Revisiting the Final Inning of the 2023 Season
Woof Bronzer replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Your stat basically says "teams who score more are more likely to win". Do you find that insightful? I don't. Again, I'm guessing teams who score more non HR runs are equally as successful - why aren't you focusing on that as a strategy? -
Revisiting the Final Inning of the 2023 Season
Woof Bronzer replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
So you're saying a team who scores more runs is going to have a better chance to win. Got it ;) By this logic I'll snarkily say that teams who can either out homer their opponents OR outscore them a different way are 83-0! What's the record for teams who outscore their opponent in non-HR runs? I'm guessing these percentages are pretty consistent over the last 100 years of baseball. I don't think they're particularly meaningful. It would be like saying, when a football team scores more TDs than their opponent they're more likely to win the game. Yep, agreed. Even so, football coaches don't throw for the end zone on every play though. -
Revisiting the Final Inning of the 2023 Season
Woof Bronzer replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
I think it IS part of the problem though. A strategy that solely chases home runs with a roster that is incapable of consistently delivering them is not particularly intelligent approach in my opinion. It would be like an NFL team wanting to pass 50 times per game with a 3rd string QB and two injured WRs. The Twins should be pursuing offensive strategies that the roster is built to succeed at. HRs are expensive! It's a glamour stat, and you have to pay accordingly. For pete's sake Joey Gallo made $10m last year. A mid-market team like the Twins is just not going to be able to build a roster full of capable sluggers with its self-imposed payroll constraints.

