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  1. Mussina and Shilling belong in the hall of the very good with Jack Morris.. I do not know where that is located. Shilling had but six good years out of 20. You remember the good but forget the bad/ If someone doesn't vote for him there are plenty of arguments that can be made why he should not be in. His political rants will not be the root cause of him not getting into the hall of fame
  2. How does potential mean low likelihood he will return when the previous statement states there is a good to excellent chance that the afflicted player would return to his previous levels.
  3. They have been there and done that with Davis. Trystan Magnuson and Danny Farquhar. I really do not see much more than that ever coming back for Davis
  4. Thoracic outlet syndrome is a 4 to 6 month recovery. Where do you get the notion that coming back from it is low?
  5. Hope you were enjoying your holiday. A prospect that is in AA or AAA and ranked as a top 50-100 prospect looks far different in potential than a player in some form of A ball. The question is what kind of ceiling do you want from your return. Lower risk, lower reward and you will get a couple of back of the rotation starters. High risk, and uncertainty will lead to you a potential great player. Gallardo had about the same level of value when traded from the Brewers. Netted a top 80 position player, an unranked major league ready reliever and a player who was thought to be the best amateur pitcher in his peer group the year before (high risk, high reward). Now Gallardo is younger, but performance is still performance. Santana should net a similar result.
  6. It would be likely the only way they are both on the table would be like Cagney and Hope https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOoNOs8Ql28
  7. So then do you leak there is a deal almost in place with the Dodgers to try to get some interest going
  8. In a 10 year run of greatness Detroit had lost 2 world series, 2 ALCS and 1 first round exit. Entertaining, but more like a few years behind the Twins' arc of almost greatness. As long as the core group of geezers show that age curves are meaningless the team will be competitive. As long as they all stay healthy, they will be competitive. Play the games and find out
  9. I wonder if Doogie has the same source as Dave? Skepticism of any of these "sources" is warranted as a baseball executives really don't talk all that much to the general public about deals and dealings in general.
  10. With Mejia why I really do not like him is mostly the weight issues. As he gained weight, his stock and performance dropped. It is going to be a problem for him at some point. But, if you criticize someone for an issue with obesity you can get called all sorts of names. Never mind that you can't find a single study of where there is a healthy lifestyle, there is also obesity. Mejia was a top 100 prospect somewhere at some point in time. It takes a pretty good eye for talent, likely other non measurable traits, to see the position players make a career leap from what their raw talent says.
  11. I think Bautista would look great in a Marlins uniform, but that is just my opinion. I will confess to only reading the title of the thread and putting down my first impression. The second impression was too bad Colorado does not need a DH.
  12. Age curves were determined by looking at all players. One of the reasons there is a drop off around 30 is the fringe players start losing their careers to cheaper younger players who can do the same thing. There are players like Danny Santana that have career years that when production returns to normal they would appear as decline. Injuries are the biggest factor in decline. Santana has not had the big injury. All players will decline at some point. There is no reason to think that this would be the year that Santana declines. Anyone trading for him wants a quality pitcher this year, hence his value is for a win now situation. As long as he is healthy he would have trade value even at the deadline.
  13. Salazar, Kluber, Alex Wood, and Tyson Ross are all fine examples of quality pitchers who were not top 100 prospects. Kimbrel was not a top 100 prospect until after he made his major league debut. Carasco was not a top 100 prospect until he was 20. Prospect rankings do not mean too much. Brandon Crawford, Kyle Seager, Dozier were not top 100 players as minors. They are doing pretty good.
  14. No one said Nolasco with an ERA + of 74. Any others mentioned thus far had minimal disposal fees. Not Ricky.
  15. First off Donaldson>Sale>Quintana>Dozier. Josh Donaldson was traded with 4 years of control left. Did the A's make out better than the White Sox? time will tell. Erwin (for Larwie) and Baretto versus Kopech and Moncada.
  16. Not nitpicking. If you think that Santana should be traded for a player with high rotation potential and a player with back of rotation/relief potential, I would say you are in the right area. You are saying one or the other. A back of the rotation, relief prospect like Mejia only for Santana. Any system should have plenty of them, you do not need to trade a useful part for one. Santana is useful, Nunez was replaceable with Polanco. Gonsalves was viewed as a fringy prospect last year at this time. Did he peak? IDK. Romero, Jay, Jorge, Stewart, Gonsalves, and to some extent Mejia, Duffrey, and Berrios are providing enough potential to sort through for the next 2 years. If the brains in the outfit are the pitching wizards of spotting talent, get a 3 prospects that have very high upside but are a ways away
  17. Projecting pitchers. Rick Porcello always had fairly average k/9. The other 70% doomed him to looking mediocre. Like a catcher who keeps strikes being called strikes, defense matters. A step up to a good defense did wonders for his results. That is the aspect a team can look at and account for that a estimator can't
  18. You said something about a Gonsalves Mejia type prospect
  19. The range mean error on ERA was like 1. That is a wide gap for accuracy on ERA
  20. Many thought Hochevar was the BPA for a couple of drafts. Clear cut choices like Harper and Strasburg are rare.
  21. The trade that was supposed to be done within the day. I hope my aging process is the same as one of Dave's days. I will have a lifespan longer than Methuselah
  22. If drafting were such an easy thing to do, especially picking an Ace please explain , Corey Kluber was a 4th round pick, Luke Hochevar went number one overall that year.
  23. When does fip stabilize for a pitcher? May has about 200 innings in the major league. What fip measures happens on between 25 and 30% of the batters faced. You are basing an opinion of upside on fip that may or may not be relevant for May due to small sample size Keep in mind that as a starter May had an xfip and Sierra of neat 4. So is Mays upside that of a league average pitcher a positive?
  24. Damn, Al Kaline learned by being in the majors at age 18. Let us put all of the 18 year olds in the majors because Al Kaline was successful so therefore every prospect should be
  25. I am sure that they have some method of projecting. The questions are what is the precision of tool and the need for said tools. People age, there is no doubt about that. Some stat site has a curve based on average deterioration without showing what the range of possibilities are, just the average. I have said it more than once but somehow the concept escapes people, but that curve is going to be different for different people. How one measures a pitcher's work has many possibilities. Other than age, what measurable of Sanana's has changed over the last few years to say there is a decline.? Speed of what he throws? Movement? What other measurement are consistent over time? Answer those questions and you will have your answer to Santana's aging.
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