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Everything posted by TheLeviathan
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I think most of the bad arguments around Bader are Terry Ryan Free Agency PTSD. TRFAPTSD is a real condition. One I totally understand, but does lead to some conclusions I don't always agree with.
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Agreed, but that's why I understand the France complaints and am mystified by the Bader ones. Bader clearly fits.
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One thing I do think is worth pointing out in these "floor" conversations is that a roster with depth is a major component to a successful season. I don't have an issue with this team adding veterans that provide specific, needed skills to the roster. There seems to be a lot of False Dilemma going on in the last week. As someone who has stood tall to play more Nick Gordon, Matt Wallner, Eddy Julien, and many others....I appreciate the concern that we don't want to block young players. Like many of you, I'm old enough to remember how we wasted huge chunks of our available resources on guys like Rondell White. That concern resonates with me. But there is a balancing act between providing opportunity and leaving yourself pressing prospects who aren't ready into professional games. We can do both. Harrison Bader doesn't mean E-Rod will never see the light of day. Columbe doesn't mean Varland should get a job at Kwik Trip. I promise....we can do both.
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This is a major issue I have as well. None of our young players seem to be maximizing their athleticism/talent as fielders.
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I see the logic and the fit for Bader. I don't for France. It's nice the deal is non-guaranteed, I just don't know why you do it at all. Dejong? Sure, I see it. This? Nope.
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Miranda is the right choice, but I really hope he put some work in on his body to help be a more durable, nimble player. Our depth behind him is "wreck the season" levels of bad.
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I agree.....Bader won't make everyone else not hit like garbage. It's a high ask for 6M on the free agent market and I'm not sure he's up to it. But we're over-thinking this move. Martin can start in AAA. Injuries will happen. (Ya'll remember we have Carlos "No Feet" Correa and Byron "I've never met an injury I couldn't catch" Buxton...right?) All I see Bader as is a floor raiser from Martin. The Twins, as much as I'd like them too, were never going to patch 6M with 6M and another 5M from the Pohlad's coin holder in their limo and sign an actual talent. It sorta is what it is. If we're shopping at Dollar General, this guy fits some needs.
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I think you lost the thread of your argument. Yes, the NFL and NHL are much fairer systems. NBA as well, but that system is far too convoluted. Championships are a poor metric of parity in all leagues, but baseball chief among them. With the Super Bowl in the rearview mirror, I get the tendency. People think the existence of dynasties or repeat contenders is a knock on parity, but that simply isn't true. A good system should allow for teams that are sound decision makers to thrive. And thrive often! (If they keep making good decisions with their competitively balanced resources!) It also gives those without the benefit of an LA TV market or a Yankees branding power the ability to truly compete with draft picks, free agents, and others. MLB doesn't have that and the data clearly shows that those advantages do have an effect on winning. All I want is a league, like the NHL and NFL, where your competency with your resources and leadership decides your fate, not your market size.
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Why do we continue to think that the manager and the FO aren't on the same page on this strategy?
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What a hideous spectacle that was. Beef up your DL and OL.
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Did the Pohlads have a change of heart?
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I think the Raiders going so hard (and publicly, without much shame) means we might be able to tag him and deliver him to the Raiders for some draft picks. Even if we get their two third round picks for him I'd be happy.
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A team that hunts match-up advantages through lineup substitutions really shouldn't be looking to dump a switch hitter who can play anywhere but catcher. This is the kind of player this organization's philosophy absolutely demands. Couple that with being one of the only guys in the lineup that isn't slow....I absolutely see the value. This team should be getting Larnach a 1B glove and planting Castro in LF most days with his flexibility allowing them to move others to the DH spot for some rest. More directly....why are people overreacting to the Twins looking for a backup middle infielder? This roster has plenty of room for a backup SS and Willi Castro. I mean...we have people talking about Mickey Gaspar making the team and we think signing a backup infielder relegates him irrelevant? Yeah, I don't get that conclusion at all.
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Well, you dodged the fact that your example worked against your point. But it's the key to understanding mine: your suggestion only works if there is a cap/floor system. Without a way to cap the massive financial advantages, extra shots at the prospect pool is irrelevant. And I don't think there is any path to smooth those advantages without a cap/floor.
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Except the Braves have the 5th highest revenue in baseball. They are part of the problem. Yes, they do things in a way you'd like smaller market teams to do, but they can afford to because they have a giant TV contract. While I'm perfectly fine giving smaller market teams more bites at the prospect pool, it doesn't change the other problems that high revenue teams pose to competitive balance. It may allow some teams to pop up and challenge them, but those teams still have a year-in, year-out advantage based purely on their market and TV deals. Truth is....owners will siphon money no matter what. This is why they keep their books closed to the public. They siphon money from the states/cities they reside. The tax payers. The players. The states/cities their affiliates are in. On and on. It's how wealth works in this country regardless of MLB. And while there are downsides to a floor, the upsides to a cap are worth the risk.
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In the NHL, if you're losing or have a hard road to climb....it's not because of your TV deal. Maybe you sign bad contracts, or draft poorly, or made poor decisions in team composition. In the NFL, if you can't elevate your team it's because you sign bad contracts, hire bad coaches, draft poorly, fail to develop a QB. But it's not because you signed the wrong TV contract. I won't touch the NBA because their mess of a "cap" is so preposterous and poorly formed I think you could get a kindergartner, a crayon, and five minutes and they could come up with a better one. And I have bad news for some of you....2027 isn't going to be the answer we want. And the reason for that is simple: as long as the big markets have massive TV contracts and the league hasn't taken a step to curb that, they aren't going to get any consensus to move forward. That's an issue that has to be resolved first and I just don't think the stars will ever align on it. I hope I'm wrong. As for parity? Good lord, I can't believe any of these writers (or anyone for that matter) would argue that champion variety equates to parity. That's such an over-simplified, silly way to look at things. Of course MLB has the apprearance of more variety, it's got a WAY higher randomness to it than the other sports. The point is simple: are teams genuinely able - with competence in management - to consistently put themselves in a position to succeed and thrive. In the NHL and the NFL they absolutely are, no matter what market they are in. The MLB is quite obviously not that way.
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It's well deserved. Dude won 14 games with a guy who was all but drummed out of having a shot to start at QB. (And...likely will be re-drummed out within 2 years)
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I Am Once Again Asking for a Ryan Mountcastle Trade
TheLeviathan replied to Matt Braun's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
I'm really unclear why this team is shopping Ryan or Ober in any deal other than to get a really good young bat. If they want Ober for Mayo...well we can have a chat then. But shopping him for Cease and Mountcastle feels like a really, really bad use of assets. -
If people think Gaspar is going to take the spot of Julien or Lee.....then that Bader thread is missing the wrong guy to take their anger out on for blocking young talent.
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I expected a vigorous argument that Bader > Torres. No? Oh right...because the notion that it's not the Tigers is preposterous.
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I like that we can actually discuss something, even if it's Harrison Bader stoking the argument. I imagine you'll see something like this most days: SS Correa 3B Lewis RF Wallner CF Buxton LF Larnach 1B Miranda 2B Lee C Jeffers DH - Some guy that Castro swaps in for So I don't get the idea that Bader is a starter. He's just raising the floor - especially defensively and somewhat against LHP - for the team. I don't love the move and I've tried to be a believer in Martin, but his inability to play any positions makes that stance really difficult to hold. So I find the move rational, but not inspiring.
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Not only did they set society back at least a century, they took part in raising a generation of soul-less malcontents who are happy to blame everyone but their parents.
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Can I both be ok with it and hate it at the same time? We need more speed on this team. We need a good defensive OF who can hit RH. I think, in theory, this is the kind of player I could get behind. On the other hand....way more than I'd like to have spent, his LH platoon splits weren't great last year (though career wise they have been fine), and the only reason I even like it at all is how same-y our OF is. This feels like getting roped in by the bar of low expectations and being ok to settle.

