TheLeviathan

Let's try something. I'll pretend to be a Ravens fan. You continue to be a Vikings fan. I say: "I HATE when the Steelers win. I hope they lose hard against the Bengals today!" You say "Honestly, from where I sit.....I don't really care who wins that game. I'm not sure it matters" I say "Raging Steelers fan huh!?! My god, how can you defend and root for that team? They are the WORST! How can you say it doesn't matter!! RARAGHATHGHAH" You say "What the hell just happened?" TD in a nutshell lately with the Ravens fan playing the part of Rocco-Hate-Cult. And it's your argument right now. I think the difference between Rocco Baldelli and Bud Black and Oli Marmol and Brian Snitker is like.... a game? maybe two?.... in the standings. I'm far more interested in the organizational values and philosophies. Why does that stance make me a defender? I'm just indifferent. Is there no room for that? My issue with the criticism isn't your conclusion. It's the manner in which your criticism happens. Much like you, the Vikings fan above, would be left bewildered by the exchange above...I'm bewildered by your argument. Now (carrying my analogy) imagine you post a thread saying: "Gee....I wonder who is going to win the Chargers and Chiefs game?" and the response is a barrage of 50 Ravens fans taking over the topic with such nuanced takes as: "BLARGHHHHHHH.....Steelers!!!!! I hope you lose and all you loser defenders lose too! RARAGAGAG!!!" TD. For like the last three months.

Well, for one, it'd be nice if we didn't cut our spending. So maybe just return to where we were last year? That's a sizable amount of room to add depth and talent to this team. Since it looks like Falvey and Baldelli are staying - I hope they take a fresh look at their models. Implementation looks like it could be improved and altered from what was done this year. (On speed/running and pinch hitting especially)

Murphy having himself a quarter.

Hand it to Chandler and Jones now.

3 still keeps it a two score game.

This is where KOC needs to calm this game down with a nice drive.

Agreed. I trust this FO and coaching staff. I think they are about the same this year and much better prepared to win it all sometime in the next five years.

Green Bay surged on the snap, sometimes the defense just times it.

I think lineup and pitcher management is organizationally driven. I can't give you a shining endorsement or raging objection to an MLB manager in 2024. I truly don't think they matter in the analytical era. I think all the focus and consternation on that front is misguided. Fans often like to pretend they have all the answers to how the cake is baked. Most of the time we're just reacting with emotions because we're on the outside looking in.

Well, there is room to interpret what this "quit" is about. We have Correa and Ober both on the record scoffing at the notion it has anything to do with Baldelli. What you're describing is hard to argue both for or against, wouldn't you agree? I understand what you're seeing and you may well be right that this is what happened, but we're too far removed from the psyches of the players, no?

I understand taking a shot on 2nd and 1, but Darnold has to deliver that ball as a TD or nothing.

That's fair. Certainly possible, but I'd be surprised if that was how it worked out.

KOC crushing it on the challenges.

You can. It's a godsend when you bring kids!

It depends on how you feel about the role of the manager. I'm in the camp that thinks (especially in the modern game) that managers have little impact on the in-game decision making and overall philosophies. They inact organizational philosophies consistently instead. So if you have a problem with the way things are decided, then your issue is less with the manager and more with the FO. Where the manager does have an impact is in the clubhouse. And to that end...all of his players (current and former) rave about him. So he seems to be doing that part, but I don't know enough. Maybe he's not. I'd like to see him institute more in terms of working on pregame routines and fundamentals. But if we're being honest, those are things that should be worked on before they show up in the big league clubhouse. All told, I'm good with either decision here. If this FO stays and had replaced Rocco, the replacement would just make the same decisions IMO. If they keep him, ditto. I don't see much changing from an in-game strategy perspective until the people at the top change.

Most likely, yes. You wouldn't confirm that to the media is you were replacing his bosses I'd think.

This offense still doesn't have Hockenson yet either. Man they are good.

How about keep imagining on behalf of the Packers that Love is ready to be out there. Low throws from fading back is gonna get more of his guys killed.

Well now you blew it! The jinx was working! :)

We need to collapse the middle, he cant plant and drive.

This is the first OL winning the battle against our front.

Agreed! But maybe if they asked all the unicorns they may move the needle over time?

Yeah, I tend to agree with that. I'm hopign the Wolves and Wild (who are both due soon) either stay out of Minneapolis (Wild) or move out (Wolves). Still, given how they built, I think Target Fields' location on 394 was brilliant. It really is much easier than most stadiums.

So help me out, which part did you disagree with? I'm not sure on what premise you were taking issue with. I understand your point about Minneapolis being stretched too thin/overstuffed, I wouldn't disagree with that.

Dave St. Peter has earned his firing for 20 years. He's also the person I expect to see die in his role before he's ever removed.