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Everything posted by h2oface
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First of all, I am an advocate of these guys being in a noted Hall of Roid/Hall of Gambling in the Hall of Shame in the Hall of Fame, and have been for years. Of course my example is a hypothetical (as was yours, the one I responded to), as is anything that we cannot know exactly as what did or would have happened. But we are not talking about cheating on a test in school. The guys that are considered and nominated for the MLB Hall of Fame already were great before they did the roids and got caught, or gambled on baseball, figuratively or literally. The comparison to a C+ student (player) is not one that is really even part of the discussion - is it? - as the C+ player isn't even ever nomitated for a vote of admission, and were never as good as the A player that decided to take roids to heal faster or get even better, which is what happened to all the players considered. The C+ players that took roids and had a great year (50/50 Brady Anderson? - maybe a B player?) still were never even close to being nominated to the HOF to vote on (although the Baltimore Orioles didn't care and he is in their HOF). All of the ones that are denied, but are still worthy either before they took the roids, or bet on baseball etc...... are already famous players, and surrounded by FAME. The roids were a part of baseball, and these guys should be in the Hall of Shame room in the Hall of Fame in my opinion. It is part of the famous story of baseball, a more complete museum. I don't even know if it would be an honor to be in the Hall of Shame in the Hall of Fame, but it would be truthful, and tell a more complete story of greatness in baseball, and what did and can happen.
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What if the cheater that got an A+ was already an A and just had an inferiority disorder, and for some reason was still obsessed to be even better? So without cheating he was an A, and with cheating was and A+. A non cheating A would still be better than a non cheating C+, wouldn't he?
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Here's to Big Papi and the Hall of Roid in the Hall of Shame in the Hall of Fame. He deserves it. He represents them all well, and is barely stained! And theTwins' braintrust let him go...... They are really missing the boat on Nathan. Not even 5% of the votes. Shameful from another angle. Still, fans should never have votes for the HOF. The Hall isn't a popularity contest. Fans already ruin the All Star voting. That's enough damage. And do you really need an official test for Bonds? I mean really, heads don't swell twice normal size on their own! He should get a reward for having all the right chemicals to avoid official test detection. That is a real talent.
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Ranking the Twins Top Pitching Prospects by ETA
h2oface replied to Nash Walker's topic in Twins Minor League Talk
All but 3 of the 11 are 24 or 25. I hope they start showing up in the show.- 15 replies
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Gardenhire, Gladden, and Tovar to Twins Hall of Fame
h2oface replied to Ted Schwerzler 's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Totally agree. Hall of Fame should be for the elite few, not the pretty damn good, or worse. All three of these guys just water it down. I like Gladden and Tovar, but not HOF, not even close in my book. And Gardenhire? He couldn't even take the 2006 team to a WS, or win in the post season. He was more of a detriment to the fine teams, than an asset. The Twins HOF seems more of a marketing ploy, than a legit HOF.- 30 replies
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How Far has Royce Lewis' Stock Dropped?
h2oface replied to Cody Pirkl's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Prospect ratings mean nothing, in the end. Just something for people who think they know more than others to do. And so far Lewis doesn't deserve notice, but he has plenty of time to change that. It is disappointing progress so far, for whatever reasons. -
Twins Time to Cash in On Ryan Pressly Trade
h2oface replied to Ted Schwerzler 's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Berrios was going to test the marketplace, too. But didn't. He signed a more than fair value extension. So did Pressly. Go figure.- 83 replies
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Twins Time to Cash in On Ryan Pressly Trade
h2oface replied to Ted Schwerzler 's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
We could have used him in 2019. He could have been the difference in playoff victories. 3 1/2 seasons later (or just 3 if you could 2020 as a half season), Alcala and Celestino, at this time, still, are hope and dreams, and not even close to the value Pressly has provided in that same time, or even just in the 2019 season, all in the Show, and not the minors. Not even close. Still a losing trade. Trading winning now in a 100+ win season of 2019 for the maybe of the future on perhaps mediocre teams? Big lose.- 83 replies
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Tracking Former Twins on the Hall of Fame Ballot
h2oface replied to Cody Christie's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Ortiz and Nathan. That is it. Ortiz is only hindered by the obtuse roid thing. And not that much. Soon, the younger voters will vote all the roiders in if they are on a ballot. The younger the fan, the less they seem to care about cheating. I still like the Hall of Shame room in the Hall of Fame (Clemens, Sosa, McGwire, Rose, Shoeless Joe, etc), and a transitional hallway for the unconvicted/unconfessed, but head that swolt twice normal size (ala Bonds) Nathan flat out deserves it. When Starters don't start, what is the Hall to do then. Great Relievers flat out win and save games, in the regular season and playoffs. They need to be recognized and inducted in, too. Nathan is one of those.- 8 replies
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Remaining free agents - are the Twins in?
h2oface replied to mikelink45's topic in Minnesota Twins Talk
I think the Twins' FO is still listening to old Asleep At The Wheel records during the lock out, and will still be navigating as the door slams totally shut. I think they are banking on the farm. And Pineda is still not trying to get in shape for the coming season. -
3 Concerns with Tyler Duffey’s 2021 Season
h2oface replied to Cody Christie's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Duffey got soft, flabby, and out of shape. I hope he takes his career seriously and addresses that, or already has. -
Steamer Projects Massive Season for Byron Buxton
h2oface replied to Nash Walker's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
It will be so fun this season to see Buxton cram it down all the doubter's throats. I predict these projections are way low. Bite on that for a while. Odds are his bad luck that he can't control will balance out, and the trend is for full seasons here on out with his tempered maturity. On the other hand, I think their projections on our pitching as it now stands, is very optimistic. I just hope the season isn't limited by the Owners and Union. -
Is this heaven? No, it’s the all-time baseball movie lineup
h2oface commented on IndianaTwin's blog entry in Un/Necessary Sports Drivel
That was fun! Great detail and fantasy. My owner would be Jules James from Brockmire, which was an irreverant delight and didn't make the OP in even a mention, but then, Brockmire was a series and not a movie. (Same with Kenny Powers on the mound from Eastbound & Down, an HBO series.) I would have to make an exception and get a trio from Brockmire in the game. Pedro Uribe as a DH from Brockmire, too. And the broadcaster...... why, Jim Brockmire, of course. After all, he even had not one, but two "things" named after him that reached into real life. "Keeping it Brockmire" and being "Brockmired". Ouch. And seriously, Crash Davis not the catcher? "Oh my". -
New Years Resolutions: Starting Pitching
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Yes! Hot starts, drastic fades. Could have used a restart in October.- 40 replies
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New Years Resolutions: Starting Pitching
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Spring Training? Are we talking Spring Training!?! I have seen some great Spring Training runs never translate to games that actually count. They are nice to see.... but it is still Spring Training.- 40 replies
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New Years Resolutions: Starting Pitching
h2oface replied to Ted Schwerzler 's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
I agree Dobnak earned his call to the show. I thought it was clear I was discussing, and responding to, the playoff start. If Dobnak's future is so tenuous that he can only shine if 'handled' specially, I wish him a lot of luck. We need good pitching, and 2021 still counts.- 40 replies
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New Years Resolutions: Starting Pitching
h2oface replied to Ted Schwerzler 's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
We were forced to start Dobnak in the ALDS in 2019! The other choices were Martín Pérez or Devin Smeltzer. Gibson, who was pitching through colitis for most of the season had a terrible last half and was moved to the pen, and had pitched in game 1 and gave up 3 runs in the 7th. Pineda was serving his PED suspension with no playoff games part of the penalty. Berrios and Odorizzi got game 1 and 2. The FO made no moves to get a stellar starting arm for the playoff run, just Dyson for the pen, and we all know how good that turned out. Seriously, Dobnak was certainly lucky (for himself) to get that start, and the Twins and fans were very unlucky, in my opinion. But it wasn't luck that got us there, it was decisions to not have at least one ringer acquired for the Postseason games. Dobnak had 3 games that he started at the end of September where he pitched well against a fading Cleveland, KC and Detroit, and even though he had only pitched 28 inning in the show, he was the best and seemingly hottest arm we had. I would say that was pretty lucky, but that is just opinion. Pitching that can win a lot of regular season games against a lot of poor teams aren't necessarily the ones you would want against the leagues' best in the playoffs. Take a look at 2019 pitching............ just for yuks. Ranks 4th, eh? https://www.mlb.com/twins/stats/pitching/2019 The only pitcher I put my money on in the OP list is Ryan, and mostly because I watched the Olympics in the wee hours of the morning, and I feel it. Stats be damned. Getting the umpire to fist bump him.... he has the moxie to be a star.- 40 replies
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Thank you for once again telling me what makes sense or not in your all knowing manner. Never changes. I said, by contract, and starters. They have one long term contract in Dobnak, (and he may not even continue to be a starter.) All you speak of have team control, but contracts happen every year, for the next year = not long term. There are hopes. I predict only Ryan will carve out a lasting spot in the starting roster, And Acala is not a starter. Ober is a throw in like Dobnak and 27 already in July. By contract, there is one long term contract, and that is now only 4 years left (thankfully, although it is for very little money yearly). I will now revert back to my no response to MLR policy.....
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What the Twins have been reduced to when it comes to starting pitching is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo depressing. Say what you will, the fact is........... the only solution to long term pitching by contract status that has been achieved by this FO is.............. Randy Dobnak. Ouch.
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Bring on the computer, knock off the framing
h2oface replied to mikelink45's topic in Minnesota Twins Talk
Automate it. Legalize it. Formalize it. Advertise it. 10 years past due. Loved the OP. Great summary stated with aplomb. -
Kirilloff, unlike Hrbek, Morneau, and Mauer, throws left-handed, too. His predecessors all batted left-handed, but threw right-handed. Some believe that wearing the glove on the right hand at first make the best fielding first basemen, and it is an inherent defensive advantage. Maybe we will find out.
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Hall of Shame in the Hall of Fame. A special room. Ortiz goes in the hallway between the two. Sosa gets in. Clemons gets in. Bonds gets in (just look at how big his head got!). Pete Rose gets in. Shoeless Joe Jackson gets in. They were great players, and they are part of the Fame of baseball. It is part of the story of baseball, and what the Hall is for. Tell the story of what happened and the greatest players that lived it. Some are greater than others, but no need to hide "the rest of the story", as Paul Harvey would say. If umpires get in, all of the above are certainly HOS/HOF. Umpires in the Hall. SMH And look at all the Designated Pitchers that don't ever bat, some only playing in about 30 games a year, that get in the HOF! Are they not baseball players even though they are just baseball throwers.?
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The Twins Prospect You’re (Actually) Waiting For
h2oface replied to Ted Schwerzler 's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
At least if Mahle is on the Twins, he can't break Buxton's hand again, eh? https://www.mlb.com/news/byron-buxton-left-hand-injury-twins I am not that optimistic about any of the arms, so I want to see Lewis. Tic Toc. Time to shine or move on. I don't know if that qualifies though, because I am (actually) tired of waiting for him.- 18 replies
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