Riverbrian

Yeah I agree. However... even if you look down from that lofty perch. You are going to shout "Hey that matters" down to the little people below.

Allow me to make up a % chance that the Twins would have gotten any of these three players if Cleveland didn't claim them. I'll say 1% chance and this is generous. Therefore my point in it's entirety: You are claiming that Cleveland spent 3 million dollars to spite the Twins with a 1% chance of getting any of these three players because the 5% chance of winning the AL Central is too high for them to seriously consider making the playoffs. Why didn't the Royals, Tigers and White Sox claim the players to spite Cleveland? It's only 3 million dollars. 😉

OK... 5% is 5%... I can't argue with that. 😉 What are the odds that the Twins would have gotten these three pitchers if Cleveland didn't hate us so much.

LOL OK... I'm going to edit my post again. And I'm going to remove my A game comment because I clearly didn't bring mine.

You say a 5% chance or some oddsmaker is saying 5% chance and you are repeating it like it's gospel. So... that's what it is then? 5% chance? 5% of what. 1 out of 20 bingo balls. 1 out of 20 Red Blankets? Did these moves make it 6%? They are 5 games out with 28 games to go. If the Twins go 9 and 19 the rest of the way. They just need to go 14 and 14 to force a tiebreker that Cleveland will win. If they go 19 and 9... the Twins will need to play .500 ball to force a tiebreaker that Cleveland will win. If Cleveland sweeps us in Cleveland next week. That 5 becomes a 2. Or that 4 becomes a 1 or that 6 becomes a 3. Please don't throw 5% chance at me like it means something.

I think they have to It depends on the players association and if they will cooperate without demanding something in return for the new concession. The MLBPA should be 100% on board because they were 100% screaming about tanking during the last negotiation but as most of know... in the end... % of revenue was ultimately what they were fighting for and tanking was just a tool they used to try and get public opinion on their side. What the Angels did was tanking without compensation and this is a whole new level of tanking and as we saw today... One Team... One Team can add 3 pretty damn good players to the roster as a result. Yes it is unprecedented and I do believe that this could be a new thing to repeated in years to follow. The waiver claim system has to be changed and if the players union is serious about tanking. They better hold hands with the owners and get it done.

They were indeed ahead of the Twins in the waiver order. I know that, you know that, Cleveland knows that, Minnesota knows that. A train conductor who follows baseball closely in Chattanooga knows that. You are sticking to this... Teams will claim the players out of spite theory. What Cleveland also knows that you seem to be missing is that if they passed, the Marlins would have probably taken them. If the Marlins pass, the Reds probably would have taken them. They were never going to be Minnesota Twins. So Cleveland grabbed these players just to keep them out of Minnesota... Well... then they just threw 3 million dollars away for no reason. Cleveland picked up these players because they are 5 games out and they think they have a chance.

I absolutely would not. First of all, that one world series title would not be earned. It would be handed to us. second of all... those 10 losing seasons would not be earned... it would be handed to us. Let's play ball! I like the roller coaster.

1. When do you start this new methodology? The season starts in April. Waiver claims happen all year long. If a team goes to the back of the line. Teams won't claim Luplow. Do you reset the waiver order in August? I think you have a good idea but there is still some complication. 2. Unprecedented.

Where the Twins are today and what could have been yesterday is all part of baseball. Nobody has the answer or the perfect formula. IMO... While I point out the unfairness of what transpired today and I believe this is unprecedented unfairness with all of my heart. While I point out the bad luck that it has the potential to hurt us specifically. To me it is simply the thought that one team gets to walk into a store and buy as much as they want while everybody else waits for the leftovers behind them. This is unprecedented and an unfair advantage for one team. The integrity of the game suffers as a result. However... no matter how I feel about it... at this point... this is a discussion on paper only. These three players guarantee the Guardians nothing. They are currently 5 out... they may win the Central or they may finish 10 games out when it is all said and done. In the off-season we had a lot of posters talking about the Padres and the money they spent, small market and all that stuff. I pointed out then... that the Padres did indeed spend a lot of money but that the Padres hadn't accomplished anything yet. What they did... guaranteed them nothing. I wasn't predicting that they would fail... I was simply stating that, they still had to take these acquisitions and win. Same goes for the Guardians today. They still have to take this supposedly improved 26 man roster and win with it.

I would have taken Grichuk. Especially with the way that we platoon and our performance against left handers. I can kind of understand the Twins passing on Grichuk with the possible roster crunch when players start returning from the injured list. But... My Surprise is: NOBODY took Grichuk?

How does Grichuk slide through? What am I missing?

Reports are that the Marlins submitted waiver claims and didn't get anyone. So... The Twins wouldn't have gotten Giolito, Moore or Lopez anyway. So... now who is Cleveland spiting?

No matter how this turns out this year. No matter what happens in future August's. Today in 2023... For the first time in history. One team out of 30 had the opportunity to upgrade as many spots as they wanted to upgrade over all the other squads to improve their club for a playoff chase. Turns out... this unprecedented advantage to one team was a team in the AL Central when we are the team being chased. Lucky us.

As always... I enjoy our discussions. I'm not so sure about what you are saying but Yogi you are smarter than the average bear.

Jeffers has 4 years of control and Arraez has 3 and I do not believe that the Marlins would take that deal regardless of the extra year. With that said... If Jeffers does this again next year. His Value is going to sky rocket because catchers are always over valued.

I didn't read the article... Just the Headline. But the Answer is. No it doesn't

The waiver claim is perfect for the Luplow's of the world and it doesn't matter how many of them are in the free puppy box. There are better names available this year and more of them and one team being able to claim them all is exactly what I find concerning. I just believe this could be a new thing in years to come... because I would do it.

If the Marlins grab all of the Angels today. We've got ourselves a merger. Should they be called the Mangels or Arlins afterwards?

Maybe I wish I could stand here and say... I'm right. I can't. But, I am saying that I see a potential problem and I know you see it too because we both agree that the waiver claim process has to be adjusted. If there is no risk of this happening again... they can just continue on without that waiver claim process adjustment that we both think is necessary now.

The guy in the back holding the stick.

The Next level of player is out of luck. Using the Twins for example. I'd only consider 5 players for the Twins. Moore, Lopez, Grichuk, Renfroe and Clevinger. It won't happen but let's say we land all 5 because everybody else forgot the deadline was today. Luplow and Gallo would be released for Grichuk and Renfroe. Floro released for Lopez Two of Sands, Winder or Funderburk sent to the minors for Moore and Clevinger, With Celestino released and Miranda to the 60 day. The Twins have just upgraded significantly. Gallo, Luplow, Floro and Celestino are looking for work elsewhere.

If I was in charge of the Twins... (I Should be 😉 😄). If I was in charge of the Twins and out of contention after a bad August so I missed out on selling in July. I would without a 2nd thought... Jettison every expiring contract that I couldn't get draft compensation for. Yeah, the Twins haven't done that in the few chances that they have had but IMO they should and a new precedent has just been set. Look at the aftermath of the current rosters of this years participants in the free puppy giveaway. Angels, Yankees, White Sox, Mets, Tigers. The expiring contracts are all GONE. The Yankees, White Sox, Mets and Tigers got rid of expiring contracts to get ready for the future... they just didn't have as many as the Angels but they are all drained of expiring contracts. That's five teams right there who did the same thing. The Padres could have participated but didn't. Snell and Hader are both extremely likely for a QO and therefore draft pick compensation. But... in the case of the Padres... what if they remember that they are a small market team and have already spent more than they could afford, In that case... the off chance that Snell and Hader take the QO could put Snell and Hader into the free puppy box. I know that is a long shot but it can't be discounted. Now the Marlins get Snell, Hader, Moore, Lopez and Grichuk if they want them. The league was not ready for this. Once you are out... the present doesn't matter... the future does so begin the prep for it immediately and save some cash in the meantime. IMO... The Angels finally did a smart thing in my opinion after a really really really really stupid July. I think the free puppy giveaway is here to stay unless changes are made. Teams are tanking for FREE now. You gotta love baseball. How can you not.