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    Twins Roster Projection 2017: Version 2.0


    Seth Stohs

    In past years, I posted my first big league Roster Projections on the first day of Twins full-squad workouts. This is a couple of days late. Actually, my first 2017 Roster Projection was done following baseball’s Winter Meetings in mid-December. Here’s the second attempt, though a lot can still happen in the next six or seven weeks.

    This is always a fun exercise. Without question, this can and will change at any time. Certainly there are several roster spots that are Givens meaning, if they are healthy, they will make the Opening Day roster. The remainder of the jobs could still be up for grabs. Spring Training statistics should not matter much in decision making, but spring training performance will matter.

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    So here is my second attempt at projecting the Twins Opening Day roster… I encourage you to read my thoughts, develop your own and then post your thoughts and projections in the comments below.

    THE HITTERS

    Catchers (2): Jason Castro, Mitch Garver

    Jason Castro will be the primary catcher. He will likely catch 110-120 games, so the question will be who can start behind the plate in the other 40-50 games.

    Ideally, that backup would be a right-handed hitter. The three primary backup catching options all bat right-handed. Last time, I put John Ryan Murphy in the backup catcher role. He may be the favorite as spring training begins. Chris Gimenez has plenty of big league experience as a backup catcher. The Twins have asked him to spend time in the corner infield and outfield spots this spring to be more flexible. The thing he’s most got against him may be the fact that he’s not on the 40-man roster.

    While he has the least experience, which certainly is the biggest thing he has against him, Mitch Garver might be the most well-rounded catcher in the organization. He has only about two months of time in AAA, but of the three, he’s probably got the most offensive potential. His defense has improved by leaps and bounds in recent years as well. He will have to go out and win the backup catcher spot. I think he’s capable. The question will be whether the Twins brass will want him as the big league backup, or if they’d like him to catch two out of three in AAA (and DH and play 1B in Rochester the other games).

    Infielders (6): Kennys Vargas, Joe Mauer, Brian Dozier, Miguel Sano, Jorge Polanco, Eduardo Escobar

    Joe Mauer will start most of the time at first base, and he should, at least against right-handers. He’ll need time off, a bunch, so Kennys Vargas will get some time there. Vargas will likely be the primary DH. Miguel Sano will likely get the majority of time at third base, though he could see time at DH and first base too. Brian Dozier will be at second base most every day. I don’t think we need to worry too much about that. Jorge Polanco should start the season as the team’s primary shortstop. His question marks with the glove make it uncertain that that he’ll stay there all year. Eduardo Escobar will likely get some starts at shortstop. He’ll also play a lot of third base when Sano is playing elsewhere. With this group (and the 13th hitter), there is some flexibility in the infield. It’s possible that Byungho Park could be a DH option as well.

    Outfielders (4): Eddie Rosario, Byron Buxton, Max Kepler, Robbie Grossman

    I think the three starters are pretty close to set. Byron Buxton will be manning center field, hopefully as close to 162 times as possible. We all hope his September showing is a sign of good things to come. If he can put up decent offensive numbers with his defense, that is immensely valuable. Max Kepler will look to improve upon a solid rookie season in the big leagues. He’s got good range and an accurate arm in right field. While he’s a line drive hitter, he is very strong and has a chance to add a lot of power as he learns to lift the ball. Eddie Rosario fought a sophomore slump in 2016 both offensively and defensively. There are no secrets with Rosario. Doesn’t want to walk. Will likely struggle to post an OBP over .300. Has some momentary lapses. Sometimes tries to do too much. But he’s very talented. If he isn’t going to walk, he just needs to know which pitches he can and can’t drive. Robbie Grossman - as I’ve written before - may be the worst defensive outfielder I’ve seen in a Twins uniform (and I’ve seen Delmon Young, Josh Willingham and some other really bad defensive outfielders). But he can crush left-handed pitching. Maybe he can play some in left field when there are ground ball pitchers. He should DH a lot against left-handed pitching.

    13th Hitter (1): Ehire Adrianza

    This is kind of a new category for me… There were a lot of options that fit into this category. So I thought I would address them here. Right now I’ve got Ehire Adrianza as the “25th man.” I figured with the question marks with Polanco that Adrianza can be a late-inning defensive replacement when the team has a lead. Frankly, Eduardo Escobar could hold the same role for third base as well. But there are other options as well.

    Danny Santana may fit the role best, in some ways. His ability to at least play three outfield positions and three infield positions may have the most value to the roster. Looking at the outfielders I profiled above, it becomes clear that the team could struggle in the outfield if one of the three starters gets a day off. It may make sense to have Santana, who isn’t a plus defensive outfielder either, available. JB Shuck could be an outfield option, as could Ben Paulsen. However, the two bat left-handed. The Twins could use a right-handed outfield option to give days off to Rosario or Kepler. That’s where Drew Stubbs might make some sense as well.

    If Chris Gimenez proves that he can play multiple positions adequately, he is likely an option as well.

    POSSIBLE LINEUPS

    Versus RHP: Byron Buxton CF, Joe Mauer 1B, Brian Dozier 2B, Miguel Sano 3B, Max Kepler RF, Kennys Vargas DH, Eddie Rosario LF, Jason Castro C, Jorge Polanco SS

    Versus LHP: Byron Buxton CF, Robbie Grossman LF, Brian Dozier 2B, Miguel Sano DH, Kennys Vargas 1B, Mitch Garver C, Max Kepler RF, Eduardo Escobar 3B, Jorge Polanco SS.

    Byron Buxton, Brian Dozier, Miguel Sano, Max Kepler and Jorge Polanco are the guys I want in the lineup almost every day. Kennys Vargas is in both lineups, but I would use the DH spot to also give “half days off” to guys like Dozier and Mauer and Grossman, as well.

    THE PITCHERS

    Starting Pitchers (5): Ervin Santana, Phil Hughes, Kyle Gibson, Hector Santiago, Trevor May

    All right, barring injury or something completely unexpected, the first four (Santana, Hughes, Gibson and Santiago) will be in the starting rotation when the season starts in April.

    I have written several times that I think if Jose Berrios has a strong camp (and shows fastball command), he will be in the Twins starting rotation. I just can’t help but wonder how playing in the WBC will affect his opportunity to make the team on Opening Day. And that’s the reason that I have Trevor May starting the season in the rotation. While May isn't a Given to be a starting pitcher, but he's very likely guaranteed to be on the Opening Day roster.

    There will be other contenders for a spot, including Justin Haley, Ryan Vogelsong, Nick Tepesch and Adalberto Mejia.

    Bullpen (7): Brandon Kintzler, Ryan Pressly, Matt Belisle, JT Chargois, Taylor Rogers, Craig Breslow, Justin Haley.

    It appears that Brandon Kintzler will go into the season as the closer. Matt Belisle and Ryan Pressly will certainly be set-up men. Taylor Rogers should have secured one of the left-handed bullpen spots.

    So there are four of the seven bullpen spots pretty much guaranteed.

    Let’s start with the left-handers. I am going to go with the assumption that Glen Perkins will start the season on the disabled list. That’s not necessarily the case, but probably still the more likely situation. Now I’ve got Craig Breslow taking the second lefty bullpen spot. He’s a veteran, brought in late, and the front office has frequently talked about veteran leadership. He will, of course, have to show this spring that his new arm angle will be successful. Ryan O’Rourke is the best option if they want a lefty-specialist due to his incredible numbers against same-siders. Buddy Boshers had a nice season in 2016 as well. Mason Melotakis will likely debut in 2017, but it wasn’t likely to happen at the start of the season. His oblique injury makes that more certain.

    In my opinion, JT Chargois’s days in the minor leagues should be over. At 26 and with his September performance, he should be a given. I don’t know that he is. After that, it’s some of the same names. Justin Haley was my choice because he is either MLB-ready or very close. He could fill a long-relief role while also being able to spot start if needed.

    That means that Ryan Vogelson and Nick Tepesch start the season off the big league roster. Michael Tonkin has a chance still to make the roster again. I think the toughest decision will be on Tyler Duffey. Could he make the team as a starter or a long-reliever? Would they start him in Rochester, and if so, would it be as a starter or a reliever?

    We’ll probably update this every other week or so as Opening Day nears. For now, it’s a starting point for a possible roster. As I mentioned, some of the spots are certainly subject to change at any time.

    What are your thoughts? What does your roster look like?

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    Hughes needs to go to the pen as a setup or closer. He can't go a full season anymore as a starter. He'll break down in the first month. 

     

    I disagree. I think he has to be a starter just to see if that surgery he had was as pointless as I suspect it was. The Twins (and all of baseball) should figure out if they should be paying for this sort of thing in the future.

     

    Besides, there will be plenty of stories about how he kept the rib his doctors removed if he has a string of decent games. Maybe we will even get to see it. Maybe we would even get rib bobbleheads if Hughes regains his mojo.

     

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    I disagree. I think he has to be a starter just to see if that surgery he had was as pointless as I suspect it was. The Twins (and all of baseball) should figure out if they should be paying for this sort of thing in the future.

     

    Besides, there will be plenty of stories about how he kept the rib his doctors removed if he has a string of decent games. Maybe we will even get to see it. Maybe we would even get rib bobbleheads if Hughes regains his mojo.

    That would be totally humorous if he pulled out the rib and spiked it on the field after a complete game shutout!

    Isn't there a better option in the OF than Grossman, whom you have said "may be the worst defensive OF I've seen in a Twins' uniform"? Is it more valuable to hit LF pitching and play terrible defense in the OF, or are you looking at Grossman being a DH and pinch hitter against LH pitching? How valuable is good defense in LF or RF every 5th or 6th game? Is there a way to measure this conundrum?.

    What about Polanco leading off instead of Buxton? I'd bet on Polanco's on-base skills and strike zone control right now.

     

    I know the prevailing thought is to have Mauer hit 2nd with Grossman doing so against LHP, playing some OF and DH. But I have also wondered about some combination of Buxton and Polanco hitting 1 & 2 with the Mauer/Grossman combination lower in the krder, possibly 6th or 7th to perpetuate and inning with their OB skill and to help set up the bottom of the order better.

    Isn't there a better option in the OF than Grossman, whom you have said "may be the worst defensive OF I've seen in a Twins' uniform"? Is it more valuable to hit LF pitching and play terrible defense in the OF, or are you looking at Grossman being a DH and pinch hitter against LH pitching? How valuable is good defense in LF or RF every 5th or 6th game? Is there a way to measure this conundrum?.

     

    One of the various invited OF in camp currently, or a waiver wire pickup during ST could very easily become the team's true 4th OF, IMO, replacing any thought of DanSan as the possible "13th" position player.

    There HAS to be a better 4th OF in here or out there or somewhere than Grossman and DanSan. I tend to agree with those who value defense in a 4th outfielder.

     

    Wouldn't it be great if Granite progressed sooner rather than later!

    I would like to see Dozier batting 5th behind Sano at the beginning of the year. The line up protection may help get Sano out of the gates better (which to me is the BIG priority) .

     

    Dozier is more experienced and has proven he can supply power without line up protection.

     

    As long as Kepler demonstrates progress and does not implode in his second season, I think he would actually fit well in the 3 spot behind planco and mauer (A lot of 'ifs' I know, but tis the year for experiments!)

    I know the prevailing thought is to have Mauer hit 2nd with Grossman doing so against LHP, playing some OF and DH. But I have also wondered about some combination of Buxton and Polanco hitting 1 & 2 with the Mauer/Grossman combination lower in the krder, possibly 6th or 7th to perpetuate and inning with their OB skill and to help set up the bottom of the order better.

    I mean I like the thinking here and the hope is buxton and polanco will be a great 1 & 2 someday, but isn't the point of the 1&2 spots to get on base so when dozier/Sano hit bombs there's guys on base.

     

    Also I don't have a problem with grossman as our 4th outfielder. It's been said before on here that when he was with Houston he was an average fielder so I'm hoping he improves this year. Plus we have 3 good defensive outfielders playing everyday so I have no problem with a guy that'll play once or twice a week being below average defensively if he hits. Let granite develop and come up when he is ready.

     

    I disagree. I think he has to be a starter just to see if that surgery he had was as pointless as I suspect it was. The Twins (and all of baseball) should figure out if they should be paying for this sort of thing in the future.

     

    Besides, there will be plenty of stories about how he kept the rib his doctors removed if he has a string of decent games. Maybe we will even get to see it. Maybe we would even get rib bobbleheads if Hughes regains his mojo.

    Hughes has seen his velocity drop significantly over the past few years. Maybe it was due to injuries, but it is also pretty well established that pitchers really do simply lose their velocity as they enter their thirties, with very few exceptions. All I'm doing is projecting based on historical trends league-wide. The best use of a guy like Hughes tends to be as a setup man. Fewer pitches means he doesn't have to pace himself for seven innings, so maybe he gets a few mph back over 20 pitches. I would rather have an effective setup guy than another completely mediocre starter that is likely to break down before July.

    Seth, I cannot see Garver making the team out of ST, and that is coming from one of his biggest fans on this board. I've got to think that will most likely be JRM unless he shows this spring that last year wasn't a fluke. Even if JRM shows he's not the option, I've got to think Giminez is above Garver. No doubt that Garver is the future, but I think a few more months in AAA will help him. 

    There has been some coverage of Gibson using some new training drills to get ready for the season(using a bouncy ball). I'm surprised that the new methods Hughes is utilizing have not garnered the same media coverage.

     

    Just yesterday he was spotted soft tossing his rib in to a pitch back and then catching it. Rumor has it, the rib has the same aerodynamic characteristics as a boomerang.

     

    Stay tuned for more modern training methods! 

     

     

    Hughes has seen his velocity drop significantly over the past few years. Maybe it was due to injuries, but it is also pretty well established that pitchers really do simply lose their velocity as they enter their thirties, with very few exceptions. All I'm doing is projecting based on historical trends league-wide. The best use of a guy like Hughes tends to be as a setup man. Fewer pitches means he doesn't have to pace himself for seven innings, so maybe he gets a few mph back over 20 pitches. I would rather have an effective setup guy than another completely mediocre starter that is likely to break down before July.

     

    I agree 100% that Hughes is cooked. But he just had an expensive, invasive surgery to try to correct something. The Twins need to find out if that surgery was worth a darn otherwise they may find themselves having more pitchers that end up having it.

     

    Seth, I cannot see Garver making the team out of ST, and that is coming from one of his biggest fans on this board. I've got to think that will most likely be JRM unless he shows this spring that last year wasn't a fluke. Even if JRM shows he's not the option, I've got to think Giminez is above Garver. No doubt that Garver is the future, but I think a few more months in AAA will help him. 

     

    Concur. He's only had 76 PA's in AAA so far, and 434 total above A ball. He could use every day at-bats in AAA instead of finding at-bats when he can at the MLB level. 
     

    If Castro is injured for a significant period of time, that looks like the only path for Garver to get consistent MLB at-bats this season. 

     

    Ryan Vogelsong sported a 4.53 FIP and a 1.467 WHIP in 2015.

    In 2016 he featured a 5.0 FIP and a 1.457 WHIP.

     

    He is this year's Pat Dean. Not terrible, but not a SP on a good team.

     

    Sure, but there is a wildcard in Vogelsong's favor:  AL teams really have not seen him pitch.  The last 2 season he pitched only against the Tigers, As, Rangers, Mariners, and was pretty good against the Tigers as a starter last season (5 IP, 4 H, 1 HR, 1 R, 0 BB, 5 K). 

     

    Do Vogelsong and Tepesch have any "outs" in their minor league deals if they are not added to the 40-man roster and don't head north? Chances we see either/or in Rochester or do they look to latch on elsewhere?

    It has been reported that Vogelsong can opt out "just before the start of the season" if he doesn't make the Twins 25 man roster.  I suspect he would exercise that opt out rather than accept an assignment to Rochester at this point (he hasn't been assigned to the minors in ~6 years, so he's probably still looking for an MLB job).

     

    Not sure about Tepesch -- I haven't seen it reported either way.

     

    Breslow also has an opt out, same as Vogelsong, and while Breslow did accept a few minor league deals/assignments last year, I suspect he's looking for a MLB opportunity with his new arm slot too.

     

    If they have a rough spring, I could see them accepting minor league assignments, but negotiating another opt-out for the end of April too.

     

     

     

     

     

    Breslow also has an opt out, same as Vogelsong, and while Breslow did accept a few minor league deals/assignments last year, I suspect he's looking for a MLB opportunity with his new arm slot too.

     

    There is another complication with Breslow:  He will play with team Israel in the WBC.  Not that it will be more than a game (or two), but it is a week or so that he will be away.  But still the Twins have plenty of time to evaluate what he has.

     

    I agree 100% that Hughes is cooked. But he just had an expensive, invasive surgery to try to correct something. The Twins need to find out if that surgery was worth a darn otherwise they may find themselves having more pitchers that end up having it.

    Spring training could provide answers. If Hughes is sitting mid-80's in spring, then move him to the pen. If he's touching 91 or 92 fairly consistently (with control) then maybe he's back.

     

    The other reason to try Hughes in the pen is his super-low BB/9. That's exactly what you want from a late reliever or setup man - no walks, and get it done fast. Hughes does have a good record of working quickly. 

     

    One other reason to move Hughes to the pen is the logjam at starter. The Twins have several young candidates on the verge, and the team is still in rebuilding mode, so why keep aging vets as starters? What are they afraid of, another losing season?? It's too late to play the "respectability" card. This team rates no respect from anybody, so they might as well use the whole season for tryouts...at every position. 

     

    Spring training could provide answers. If Hughes is sitting mid-80's in spring, then move him to the pen. If he's touching 91 or 92 fairly consistently (with control) then maybe he's back.

     

    The other reason to try Hughes in the pen is his super-low BB/9. That's exactly what you want from a late reliever or setup man - no walks, and get it done fast. Hughes does have a good record of working quickly. 

     

    One other reason to move Hughes to the pen is the logjam at starter. The Twins have several young candidates on the verge, and the team is still in rebuilding mode, so why keep aging vets as starters? What are they afraid of, another losing season?? It's too late to play the "respectability" card. This team rates no respect from anybody, so they might as well use the whole season for tryouts...at every position. 

    I don't think they can evaluate just on ST as he is coming off the DL.  

    Is there any chance that Garver could take the starting role in the future (possibly late 2017 or 2018-2019)? Castro has his strengths, but if Garver could be an offensive upgrade and still be decent defensively he could be even more valuable. At the very least Castro shouldn't hit against lefties very often, his batting line is horrendous.

    Personally, I wouldn't bet against Garver. Castro was brought in for a reason. And I think he will handle the staff well, show his value, and his career has shown he can be effective against RHP.

     

    I don't buy in to Garver's age as a restriction. Catcher is a unique position as far as development goes. He has improved defensively by all accounts, has al ways had a great arm, and has hit decently to we'll at all levels, and even shown improvement at levels if he started slow.

     

    It's not only ability but opportunity. Is he better playing every 3rd day at the ML level now, or everyday at AAA to begin the season? Does an injury get him playing time or more playing time?

     

    I actually find him to be at the top of my prospect watch list. He could be a solid backup to a really good starter. His opportunity window may be one of the hardest to speculate.

    Starters: It looks pretty locked in right now... Santana, Santiago, Gibson, Hughes and May. The Twins won't cut Santiago, Gibson or Hughes and the May saga needs to end.

     

    I don't have a problem with Berrios starting in the minors... If he performs... he will be up soon because somebody is going to tweak something. 

     

    But... Please... Please... Please... I beg Falvey/Lavine/Antony/Molitor/Some People to be extremely intolerant of poor pitching performance. If any of those guys are sitting with ERA's in the 5... DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT and be QUICK ABOUT IT. Don't just sit there and let it happen. 

     

    Bullpen: It looks like Perkins may start on the DL so that means... Kinzler to close with Pressly and Belisle or setting up. Chargois will be next in line to one of those top three spots if he performs. Rogers is in and Haley will most likely be stashed here unless the Twins pull off a trade.

     

    That leaves one spot to compete for in my mind. No idea who it will be but I assume he will most likely be left handed. 

     

    Catcher: Castro and... I don't know. It's nice to have options. I've never seen him but I'm hopeful for Garver in the future so I hope he is the #1 in Rochester. I would love to see the Twins develop a catcher and Garver is that hope right now. I'd rather he play the lead role with the Red Wings instead of a backup role in Minnesota. 

     

    2B/SS: Dozier of course at 2B and SS is the only real interesting spot to be determined.

     

    If Polanco has "some people" still in the organization that doubt his ability to handle SS defensively... I think they are still speaking up. Why stop now because after all...  Polanco didn't prove anybody wrong playing SS in the bigs. If Adrianaza is the defensive talent that people say he is... I think the Twins may end up with him starting at SS with Polanco moving into a utility role. This decision will become easier to make if Polanco doesn't calm nerves with the glove down in Ft. Myers or if Adrianaza shows anything at all with the bat. If Polanco has any kind of sophomore slump at the plate... His defense won't save him either. 

     

    IF/OF 25th Man utility spot: If Adrianaza comes north... this potentially moves Escobar into this spot and he replaces Santana... Escobar has played a little outfield so this wouldn't be totally crazy. If Adrianaza goes to Rochester... Escobar will be backing up in the infield and Santana is once again this guy. Kind of a catch 22... if you want Santana gone... cheer for Adrianaza... however... Adrianaza may push Polanco into less playing time. Go ahead and sing the song... "You can't always get what you want" You can't always get what you want" but if you try sometimes... 

     

    OF: Buxton, Rosario, Kepler, Grossman. I'll go on record as saying... I sure wish we had a proven MLB'er to join this group. That's a lot of talent that has yet to establish itself. I don't think a proven MLB'er is gonna show up so that's the group. Grossman or Escobar/Santana will have to step into a spot if Rosario or Kepler tank and tanking can't be discounted. We are talking about youth here... it happens all the time. Clearly I am not part of the "they are going to lose anyway crowd". I'm part of the "Damn it... perform like your career depends on it" crowd. 

     

    DH: If everything goes swimmingly with Buxton, Rosario or Kepler. Grossman hit enough to be strongly considered for DH duties and I'm not sold that Molitor is just going to hand that job to Vargas. I don't really want Grossman in the OF but I don't want him sitting on the bench after the way he performed at the plate. You don't cut one of your better 2016 bats and you gotta find him at-bats. I'll be watching how Molitor juggles this. Molitor has to do a better job in 2017 and I hope he lets the players decide on the field.

     

    1B/3B: Mauer, Sano and Vargas -- Done Deal unless the Twins sign Morneau or something. Park has to earn his way back up and wait for injury or Vargas failure. 

     

    I only see 3 spots open...

     

    1. Bullpen

    2. Backup Catcher

    3. SS (Starter or Backup)

     

     

     

     

     

     




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