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    3 Potential Twins Trades for Marlins Starter Jesús Luzardo


    Cody Christie

    Last winter, the Twins worked out a trade with the Marlins that benefited both clubs. Can the two teams agree on another deal that sends a starting pitcher to Minnesota?

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    Entering the 2023 season, the Twins’ rotation was composed entirely of players acquired via trade. Pablo López, Sonny Gray, Kenta Maeda, Joe Ryan, and Tyler Mahle were the team’s five starters on Opening Day. Bailey Ober was the only homegrown option, but he started the year in St. Paul. Derek Falvey has shown a keen ability in both Cleveland and Minnesota to trade for impact starting pitchers. Minnesota is likely to follow a similar path this winter, especially with the financial uncertainty surrounding the team's television contract.

    The Twins and Marlins were in a unique position last winter. Both teams sought to contend in 2023, but there were holes on both rosters. The Twins acquired López and a pair of minor leaguers for Luis Arraez. López developed into the frontline starter the Twins needed, and Arraez took home the NL batting title, while helping Miami to the playoffs. It was a win for both clubs.

    The Marlins are in a similar position this winter, needing to upgrade their lineup while having a number of team-controlled starting pitchers. Over the weekend, Jesús Luzardo’s name came up in trade rumors, because the Royals were interested in him before moving on to free-agent alternatives. Ken Rosenthal reported that Miami and Kansas City discussed a trade that included the southpaw being traded for first baseman Vinnie Pasquantino, who is under team control for five more seasons. Luzardo is an intriguing name with some potential upside, meaning the Twins might be able to follow a path similar to last year's approach with López.

    Luzardo is a first-year arbitration-eligible player, so he is under team control through the 2026 season. Over the last two seasons, he posted a 3.52 ERA with a 1.15 WHIP and 10.6 K/9 in 279 innings. His four-seam fastball usage went from 29.3% in 2022 to 46% last season, with his sinker usage dropping by over 14 percentage points. The Twins were able to help López add a sweeper after he joined the club, and Luzardo has a solid slider. Could the Twins reshape that pitch, too, to make it even more of a weapon? All trades below include the player's surplus value according to Baseball Trade Values. 

    Potential Trade 1
    Marlins Receive: Matt Wallner (23.1 surplus value), Brooks Lee (33.5), and a low-level minor leaguer
    Twins Receive: Luzardo (63.3)

    Wallner and Lee are the last two winners of the team’s Minor League Player of the Year award. Lee finished last season at Triple A and is on the cusp of making his big-league debut. In 125 games, he hit .275/.347/.461, with 39 doubles, 3 triples, and 16 home runs. He is widely considered the team’s second-ranked prospect, behind Walker Jenkins. Wallner, meanwhile, was part of a trio of Twins rookies who posted OPS+ figures north of 125. As with most power hitters, he has some swing-and-miss to his offensive profile, but he can connect for massive home runs. From Miami’s perspective, this trade gives the club two MLB-ready bats and another prospect that can be a wild card to add to their organizational depth.

    Potential Trade 2
    Marlins Receive: Edouard Julien (34.5), Emmanuel Rodriguez (17.1), and Max Kepler (8.3) 
    Twins Receive: Luzardo (63.3)

    Woof. This is a lot to give up for Luzardo, but starting pitching comes at a premium. Julien established himself at the big-league level last season, with a 130 OPS+ in 109 games. Minnesota wants him to be part of the team’s future, but the same could have been said for Arraez last season. Rodriguez helped the Cedar Rapids Kernels win the Midwest League Championship last season after posting an .863 OPS with 38 extra-base hits in 99 games. Kepler’s trade value might be at an all-time high, after a tremendous second half in 2023. He only has one year of team control remaining, which takes away some surplus value. In this deal, the Marlins get two bats for now and one who can help the club in the future. 

    Potential Trade 3
    Marlins Receive: Ryan Jeffers (28.5), Jorge Polanco (9.4), Trevor Larnach (3.6), and Round B Competitive Balance Pick
    Twins Receive: Luzardo (63.3)

    Luzardo’s value is so high that this deal might not be enough to get it done. The Twins have been shopping veteran players like Christian Vazquez, so it’s interesting to consider the team dealing Jeffers, who has more trade value, instead. Polanco has two years of team control left, and his switch-hitting ability adds value. The Marlins already have Arraez at second base, so they need to make some defensive adjustments to fit both players in the lineup, but they've made a habit of building their rosters out of second basemen. Larnach currently doesn’t have a place with the Twins, and a change of scenery might help him to unlock his full potential. 

    Do any of these trades work for both teams? Would you include other players? Leave a COMMENT and start the discussion.

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    20 hours ago, SteveLV said:

    Does Julien, ERod, Vasquez, Gordon and Sands get you Luzardo and Alcantara?  Marlins save money, Twins take the huge risk on Alcantara.

    Man, it would be so much fun to be the fly on the wall and listen in on trade offers and negotiations!

    I was hoping these 5 guys would get just Luzardo - he’s worth it for 3 seasons!

    16 hours ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

    For those unaware, Ely runs Fish On First, the Marlins equivalent of Twins Daily. 

    Let’s make Ely more comfortable! A couple 2023 ERA’s here to digest:

    Luzardo #18 - 3.58……..our P. López #23 - 3.66 ……..Seattle trade target L. Gilbert #25 - 3.73

    Mike Clevinger - 131 innings - 3.77 ERA …..this should be the TWINS target for a 2 year deal!

    The first 2 trades would be a big risk.  Giving up your young controllable talent for 1 pitcher is always a risk.  Even more so because we gave up a lot of our depth the last few years for pitching.  We were fine giving up Arraez last year knowing we had Julien and Lee in the wings to fill in sooner or later.  We were fine dealing away Steer and CES for similar reason.  However, now if we dealt either Lee or Julien our depth really thins out and if either get injured, or just not continue to develop as we hope we have no real back up plan.  E-Rod or Wallner are not as much of issue to replace, but we had a ton of depth of 2nd/3rd base guys over last couple years, now we have much less depth.  However, he is a good pitcher, but we never know if it is time for an injury for him. 

    34 minutes ago, jorgenswest said:

    If getting the best young ready position player in a 1 for 1 deal is the Marlins goal, the only player the Twins have with a BTV value of Pasquantino is Lewis. The others are about 20% below his value. Of course it depends on the Marlins view but I assume it is very favorable of Pasquantino. If Julien is the best 1 for 1 the Twins have to offer, I think many teams can beat that deal starting with the Yankees and Volpe.

    Don't get me wrong... I am very very happy with Lopez but giving up Arraez was very painful for me. 

    Arraez was at least a 4 and maybe a 5 for me. 

    Trading Lewis would be at least a 7 maybe 8 on the pain scale. I think you pass out when the pain reaches a 10. 

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    Don't do it... it would hurt to much. OK... on second thought...  wait... Umm... Lewis seems to get injured easy... He probably has his own face icon on the scale. So maybe but... umm... Wait... pitchers in general get injured easy.

    OK... Don't do it. Lewis is untouchable... We need offense more than pitching in my opinion.   

     

    8 hours ago, Historyking88 said:

    There’s no way the Twins are trading Lee or Jeffers. The only option that makes sense is option 2. If you trade Julien then Lee steps in as your new 2B. 

    I don't think they're trading Jeffers.

    I bet Lee is very much on the table though.

    48 minutes ago, jorgenswest said:

    If getting the best young ready position player in a 1 for 1 deal is the Marlins goal, the only player the Twins have with a BTV value of Pasquantino is Lewis. The others are about 20% below his value. Of course it depends on the Marlins view but I assume it is very favorable of Pasquantino. If Julien is the best 1 for 1 the Twins have to offer, I think many teams can beat that deal starting with the Yankees and Volpe.

    Framing it as it has to be a 1 for 1 deal feels pretty wrong. There's next to no chance the Marlins were looking to deal Luzardo for Pasquantino straight up.

    Also, BTV can say what it wants, Pasquantino is a 1B/DH with modest power; he's not that great.

    11 minutes ago, nicksaviking said:

    Framing it as it has to be a 1 for 1 deal feels pretty wrong. There's next to no chance the Marlins were looking to deal Luzardo for Pasquantino straight up.

    Also, BTV can say what it wants, Pasquantino is a 1B/DH with modest power; he's not that great.

    122 OPS Plus - 11% K Rate over his first 500 Major League AB's.  

    I think he's going to be a pain in our side for years to come. 

    1 hour ago, jorgenswest said:

    I agree about Jenkins. I would do the Julien deal also but I don’t think it is enough. Someone will offer a better player that isn’t a platoon player. I don’t think it can be fixed by adding marginal players to go with Julien. 

    Entirely possible. I'm just going off the idea that the reported deal that KC reportedly turned down was pretty much a 1 for 1 swap of Luzardo for Pasquantino. Maybe there were some marginal prospects thrown in somewhere, but if the deal included another big name person I think the reports would've indicated that. If the deal really was basically a 1 for 1 swap of those 2 players I think Julien and marginal players is absolutely enough.

    The question is whether or not that was truly the deal that was discussed, and, more importantly, the Marlins were willing to accept. It sounds like a light return for Luzardo to me, but I can also understand if the Marlins are looking for a young hitter with MLB experience, 130 OPS+ upside, and lots of control. Pasquantino and Julien both fit that mold so it may not be that far off if that's really what the Marlins are looking for. Even if I think it sounds a little light. 3 years of Luzardo vs 6 years of Julien isn't that ridiculous.

    On 12/18/2023 at 11:51 AM, Riverbrian said:

    Luzardo speculation is running amok.

    Is it running amok because of the reported Luzardo/Pasquintino rumor that didn't happen? 

    The Marlins made the playoffs last year with a young roster. They don't need to sell the top of their roster. 

    However, even if they decided to sell Luzardo... why would they dilute the talent level of what you acquire by getting multiple players back. 

    If you were the Marlins... Wouldn't you go big and try to get one off the charts offensive player. 

    Such as Pasquintino or Jordan Walker or Tristan Casas.

    If I was the Marlins... I'm not screwing around here with packages. .    

     

     

    IMO this is like Reds with Castillo, they dangled him around for a couple of years to get buyers for their other pitchers. Luzardo isn't going anywhere.

    If I operate under the assumption that Miami was willing to trade Luzardo, a 26 year old LH starting pitcher with 3 years of team control, even up for Pasquantino (.832 OPS in 2023)I know the Twins can beat that deal.  Julien (.839 OPS) is as good if not a better hitter than Vinnie and he plays a more difficult position.  And Julien is 2 years younger than Vinnie.  If I traded Julien, I'd be fine with Polanco to begin the season at 2B and when Brooks Lee is ready I can always trade Polanco at the deadline.  Maybe Jorge is having a great season, nothing says I can't keep him for 2025 !  

    The Marlins need a catcher.  If I could deal Jeffers one for one to Miami for Luzardo I do it in a heart beat.  We have two more years of Vasquez who will bounce back "somewhat" offensively this coming season.  I can live with a catching tandem of Vasquez/Camargo if it puts Luzardo #2 in our rotation.  Having a catcher that can hit is a luxury for most teams.  I'd love to see Jeffers carry that hitting stroke forward.  But if I can leverage him for Luzardo?  Hello, Jair Camargo!!  

    I do not believe there is any truth to the Vinnie for Luzardo possible one for one deal.  But if there is, I'm calling the Marlins and I'm going to be a pain in the tush until I get a deal done.  A LH starting pitcher, 26 years old, team control for THREE YEARS.  Yup.  I'm on board with that.  

    On 12/18/2023 at 11:25 AM, Ely Sussman said:

    Marlins correspondent here!

    Every Luzardo trade scenario is pretty deflating, although I recognize this figures to be the peak of his value, so it’s unsurprising that Miami is considering it. Trade #1 would be the easiest to stomach. Passing on Lee in the draft was such an unforced error.

    Thanks for the insight. What are the Marlins interested in? What positions are they in need of most? We have a plethora of veteran options to trade in OF, 1B, SS/2B, C, and a bevy of young talent too. Some suggested the Marlins are interested in Catcher, SS, 1B, is that accurate?

    On 12/18/2023 at 2:19 PM, ValleySpringsFan said:

    If Miami is fixed on getting a SS and a C in return, then the Twins may be out of luck. They don't have talent to spare at those positions. But if the Pasquantino rumor is true, then Julien and Kepler would not be a bad offer. I think Polanco has at least 3 more good years. Twins need to keep him. And Julien's value is at its peak right now.

    I would happly trade Jeffers and Vazquez to get Lazurado. Jeffers was good in the regular season but atrocious in the playoffs. Lets cash in while his value is high. 

    23 hours ago, TopGunn#22 said:

    If I operate under the assumption that Miami was willing to trade Luzardo, a 26 year old LH starting pitcher with 3 years of team control, even up for Pasquantino (.832 OPS in 2023)I know the Twins can beat that deal.  Julien (.839 OPS) is as good if not a better hitter than Vinnie and he plays a more difficult position.  And Julien is 2 years younger than Vinnie.  If I traded Julien, I'd be fine with Polanco to begin the season at 2B and when Brooks Lee is ready I can always trade Polanco at the deadline.  Maybe Jorge is having a great season, nothing says I can't keep him for 2025 !  

    The Marlins need a catcher.  If I could deal Jeffers one for one to Miami for Luzardo I do it in a heart beat.  We have two more years of Vasquez who will bounce back "somewhat" offensively this coming season.  I can live with a catching tandem of Vasquez/Camargo if it puts Luzardo #2 in our rotation.  Having a catcher that can hit is a luxury for most teams.  I'd love to see Jeffers carry that hitting stroke forward.  But if I can leverage him for Luzardo?  Hello, Jair Camargo!!  

    I do not believe there is any truth to the Vinnie for Luzardo possible one for one deal.  But if there is, I'm calling the Marlins and I'm going to be a pain in the tush until I get a deal done.  A LH starting pitcher, 26 years old, team control for THREE YEARS.  Yup.  I'm on board with that.  

    Absolutely agreed. I would trade Julien and Jeffers but not Lee, Rodriguez, Lewis, or Jenkins. We'd be stupid to clear the farm for Jesus, a #2 starter. 




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