Red Sox 6, Twins 3: Series of Unfortunate Events

Hughes and Gibson should be long relievers.

Getting tired of Gibson's "bad luck".  Seems like game after game, he has "bad luck".

But glad to see Hughes back in the pen and, maybe, adding some stability.  

Some bad luck, sure.  But Twins did not play well last night or in this series.

 

Kepler let one get over his head.  Sano swinging out of his spikes.  Getting zilch out of the catcher position.  Buxton, still trying to find himself.

 

Young guys, learning on the fly that MLB ain't patty cake.  This will help, in years to come.

 

That statement has credibility now, as compared to 2011-2014.

 

 

Sorry not interested in the bad luck theory Kyle. He seems like a really nice guy but whenever he speaks about his performances I get the feeling he is in denial.

 

I'm surprised that the Red Sox aren't up in that division more than they are. Should win it by 10 games.

Twins obviously aren't as good as Boston and Houston, but they can still hang with everyone else.

 

The Twins haven't played the Yankees yet.  They have a +103 run differential.

Edited June 30, 2017 by yarnivek1972

The comebacker was terrible luck and then Gibson went to first instead of third. Our bullpen usage is terrible, why pull Gibson after the homer, let him finish the damn inning. It seems like Paul is looking to pull our starters out as fast as he can. If Gibson isn't mentally strong enough or is unable to get the final out in the 6th, cut him. he only had 88 pitches at that point.

It seems that our starters know that after the 5th they better not give up another hit or they are out of the game.

 

Yankees will start to fade a little (still a WC favorite) if they don't make a big addition, they don't have the starting pitching depth.

By the end of the year all 3 divisions could have 10 game spreads.

 

 

Then I'm confused.  How do you expect the Twins to hang with the Yankees?  Do you feel the Twins starting pitching depth is as good as the Yankees?  The offense isn't close.  The bullpen isn't close.  The Yankee rotation isn't great, but 3-5 is WAY better than the Twins

 

Sorry not interested in the bad luck theory Kyle. He seems like a really nice guy but whenever he speaks about his performances I get the feeling he is in denial.

Tom provided really good details about how Gibson was unlucky.    Two hits with about 10% probability is unlucky.    Gibson has been pitching pretty well lately and even this game he kept within reach.    Lead off walk is generally not bad luck though.   I don't accept bad luck over the long term.   Certainly applies in the short term.

My frustration with Gibson is that it seems like every time the team puts up some runs for him, he immediately gives them back in the next half inning. I'm not sure if that's statistically true, but it sure seems like it.

Tom provided really good details about how Gibson was unlucky. Two hits with about 10% probability is unlucky. Gibson has been pitching pretty well lately and even this game he kept within reach. Lead off walk is generally not bad luck though. I don't accept bad luck over the long term. Certainly applies in the short term.

Sure that happens. It happens frequently to all pitchers. He should be a lot more worried about the 3 run Homer that was crushed. What's your win probability in games where your starter gives up a 3 run homer? Not high.

The comebacker was terrible luck and then Gibson went to first

 

instead of third. Our bullpen usage is terrible, why pull Gibson after the homer, let him finish the damn inning. It seems like Paul is looking to pull our starters out as fast as he can. If Gibson isn't mentally strong enough or is unable to get the final out in the 6th, cut him. he only had 88 pitches at that point.

It seems that our starters know that after the 5th they better not give up another hit or they are out of the game.

Luck has nothing to do with getting caught playing for a bunt in the FIFTH INNING! Seriously, why on earth would they expect bunt there? Do they think Molitor is managing the Red Sox?

 

Luck has nothing to do with getting caught playing for a bunt in the FIFTH INNING! Seriously, why on earth would they expect bunt there? Do they think Molitor is managing the Red Sox?

What words would have been used to describe a ground-ball that went through the infield instead of being fielded for a 6-4-3 DP?

Except there was no 3 run homer. Solo shots to Betts and Ramirez.

I'm getting old. I'm still not buying this view. Instead of complaining about the ladder don't let them hit it there. At what point do we just say he ain't getting it done because he is not good enough?

 

Meh.  In any other park that's an out, any other place on the entire monster Ramirez has no shot at scoring.  I thought Gibson threw a decent game yesterday and got a few unlucky breaks, which were looked at in depth in the write-up.  Yeah his interview he did complain a little bit, but it was deserved IMO. I would rather hear that than a candid "I didn't get the job done today" response, but that's just a personal opinion.

I'm waiting for the "We're the Twins, s--- happens!" response.

Maybe I'm too nice, but I found his performance acceptable for a backend starter. And he is soon to be 30; the guy isn't some young prospect.

 

To put it another way, his performance yesterday makes it more likely he stays in the rotation and is tendered a contract in the offseason.

Agreed on the stays in the rotation. If he continues like this there is no way I would tender him next year. His number will be pushing 5 million. Take his money and Santiago money and get a real pitcher. I'm usually a glass half full guy but at some point the numbers don't lie. He has been a bad MLB pitcher for the vast majority of his time in the bigs. Edited June 30, 2017 by Linus

They have over $20 mil (Santiago, Perkins, Kintzler, Belisle, Breslow) coming off the books, and not a ton coming back in guaranteed contract increases or arb players. Could save another $3mil if they move on from Escobar.

 

You could do Gibson, a legit starter, and a reliever and not increase payroll. If they want to bump payroll, they have a potential of $45mil coming off after 2018 (Mauer, Santana, Dozier), though that's when arb starts to hit.

I respect your premise but don't share your view. Money aside if they don't improve on him for their rotation I will be severely disappointed.

At this rate, I would anticipate disappointment. Assuming they don't trade Santana, I would predict they sign or trade for a starter and go into the season with:

Santana, Berrios, addition, Gibson, May/Hughes/Mejia battling for last spot, with Gonsalves/Romero/Jorge waiting in minors.

Thus would be good news to me as he can't beat out any of the candidates you listed for the 5th spot. And you would be wasting the arb dollars on a 6th starter.