Make it Official! Twins 10, Athletics 2: Ober Gets Complete Game Support

2 hours ago, bean5302 said:

I see you conveniently left out the Brewers, Mariners, Red Sox and Royals who are all over .500, legit playoff caliber teams, and the Twins are 10-4 against them. 

As with any cherry picking, it does give you a perspective. Miss the forest for the trees.

The Twins have been a very up and down team, but the 17-2 (.895) record against any group of teams in MLB is pretty good. The worst team in that group (White Sox) have won 21 games. They're beating somebody... 

What I take away from the Twins' record is this. They're destroying bad teams, beating good teams and struggling against great teams.

Wow.......I kinda think that was my point all along. 🤭

5 hours ago, JD-TWINS said:

You in know the opponent and who is pitching for the Twins over at least the next week ……let’s see some of those known wins or known losses before the first pitch is thrown so we can all benefit.

7 of the 16 losses (they all count, understood) were prior to April 17. The Team was not hitting as a Team…..obviously, the opponents pitching plays into that. Team wasn’t hitting against anybody. My point is not to shy away from yours, it is to say they are much more of a complete offense at this point.

Right now Paddack & Lopez appear to be the weakest links, and if that’s true the Team is in decent shape going forward.

Kansas City - Boston - Washington - Seattle - Milwaukee are all playoff teams and Twins are  13-6 v. these clubs…..it’s not all bad.

Cmon, my point was that when we play the elite teams you know we will probably lose, and when we play the bottom feeders we will very likely win.  The rest of the league is the part that we have to pay attention to. 😏

On 6/23/2024 at 1:40 AM, bean5302 said:

Radke was a borderline Hall of Famer at the end of his career considering his career was cut way short by injury (retired after playing his age 33 season with a broken shoulder, and he was still better than average). He has the 6th most career WAR while wearing a Minnesota Twins uniform of any player.
Carew = 63.8 (HoF), Killebrew 60.4 (HoF), Mauer 55.2 (HoF), Puckett 51.1 (HoF), Blyleven (HoF), Radke 45.6, Oliva 43.0 (HoF)
Radke is undoubtedly the most underappreciated player in Twins history, and he doesn't get nearly enough credit for his exceptional value on the field, but to go a step further, he also played a critical role in saving the Minnesota Twins from contraction. Ober's a fine #4 guy, but Radke was the best starting pitcher to wear a Twins uniform in the past 30 years not named Johan Santana. Radke was a true ace with 6 seasons over 4.3 WAR, and 3 at 5.8 or higher.
 

Radke was a horse.  He had a few bad seasons, but overall a very solid pitcher.  If the mid to late 90's Twins hadn't been so bad he would have been a much easier pitch (no pun intended) for the Hall of Fame. 

On 6/23/2024 at 7:31 PM, Doctor Wu said:

Considering that Buxton is healthy and starting most games, and yet he hasn't had much of an impact on games this season is a big concern for me. He's become the invisible man on this team. 

I gotta laugh: almost every time  after I post a negative comment about Buxton's play he has a great game. Hmm ... maybe I need to do that more often, or rather HE needs to do that more often!

On 6/23/2024 at 12:40 AM, bean5302 said:

Radke was a borderline Hall of Famer at the end of his career considering his career was cut way short by injury (retired after playing his age 33 season with a broken shoulder, and he was still better than average). He has the 6th most career WAR while wearing a Minnesota Twins uniform of any player.
Carew = 63.8 (HoF), Killebrew 60.4 (HoF), Mauer 55.2 (HoF), Puckett 51.1 (HoF), Blyleven (HoF), Radke 45.6, Oliva 43.0 (HoF)
Radke is undoubtedly the most underappreciated player in Twins history, and he doesn't get nearly enough credit for his exceptional value on the field, but to go a step further, he also played a critical role in saving the Minnesota Twins from contraction. Ober's a fine #4 guy, but Radke was the best starting pitcher to wear a Twins uniform in the past 30 years not named Johan Santana. Radke was a true ace with 6 seasons over 4.3 WAR, and 3 at 5.8 or higher.
 

I think Ober can become that if he can stay away from injury. At his best he doesn't blow people away but controls the zone and the game. Radke did the same. I have a special place in my heart for him as he visited my 14 year old self in the hospital as I was going through chemo in the late 90s.

1 hour ago, bean5302 said:

I'd be great if it happened, but Ober would need to stay healthy while lowering his ERA / FIP by probably a full point over the next 10 years to get there. Radke had Ober's results, but Radke pitched during the steroid era when guys were hitting 50-70 home runs a year. Side note: Some people complain about Radke giving up home runs, but he was actually far below average in HR rate. Like top 20 of qualified starters good.

Can't imagine how cool of a visit that must have been!

As a kid he was my favorite after Morris and Tapani left. Maybe you know, but I wonder how Ober's first couple years compares to young Radke. The thing I liked most about him was he looked like a regular dude and didn't rely on anything special outside of control and a great ability to just get people out.