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    Dozier Hasn't Changed and Could Pay Big For Twins


    Ted Schwerzler
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    The trade deadline is fast approaching, and with the Dodgers recent acquisition of Manny Machado, the best up-the-middle player on the market may be the Minnesota Twins Brian Dozier. Unfortunately he doesn’t play the more premium shortstop position, but he’s been the best second basemen in baseball (not named Jose Altuve) for the past handful of years. His struggles in 2018 seem a bit overstated to me, and the front office could still find themselves commanding a nice haul.

    Recently, Patrick Reusse wrote a nice article on Dozier in the Star Tribune. The backbone of the column was that Dozier has provided the Twins with an immense amount of value. That’s absolutely spot on and in buying out his arbitration years, the Twins found themselves cashing in big on Brian. For what it’s worth, Fangraphs values Dozier’s production from 2015 until today at $124.7 million; Minnesota will have paid him $20 million at the end of 2018.

    Where I found myself intrigued, and looking for more information, was the notion that Dozier’s 2018 can be categorized as lackluster. In noting both his run scoring ability and .230 batting average, there were points to suggest that this isn’t what we’ve seen from Brian over the past few years. Fortunately for the player, Dozier himself, and a potential team that may acquire him, those things seem to be a bit blown out of proportion.

    As of July 18, Brian Dozier owned a .230/.314/.423 slash line. He had scored 60 runs and had launched 16 homers. Here’s how that baseline compares to each of the past two seasons:

    7/18/17- .250/.336/.440 43 R 15 HR

    7/18/16- .247/.332/.454 48 R 15 HR

    We can see here, that nothing is that incredibly out of whack during 2018. Although Dozier’s slash line has sagged across the board, there isn’t egregious movement anywhere. Despite batting outside of the leadoff spot (which should’ve taken place much sooner), Brian has continued to cross the plate. While, individually, runs aren’t the most important part of the game on offense (getting on base is), the Twins second basemen has continued to score at a very solid clip. His walk totals remain in line with previous production, coming in at essentially a 1:2 ratio alongside strikeouts.

    As a whole, nothing on the surface suggests that the status quo has been thrown off for the Mississippi native. In an attempt to figure out where the sag is coming from, the advanced metrics help to paint a bit better picture. In 2018, Dozier is both swinging and missing, as well as chasing pitches, less often. He’s making hard contact at a career high rate, and his BABIP is relatively normalized. The area that jumps out to me is the type of balls he’s putting into play.

    For a dead pull hitter like Dozier, elevating pitches has always been his plan. That’s the correct route to go, but in 2018 he’s seen a slight shift in flight path that’s allowed too many negative outcomes for balls in play. After a 19% line drive rate last season, that number has dipped to 14.7% in 2018. His nearly 40% ground ball rate is a career high, and his fly ball rate sits at 46.2%. As a whole, the numbers have combined to produce just a 12.1% HR/FB rate, which is his lowest total since 2014. For Dozier to have optimal success he needs to be hitting line drives and fly balls with closer to ideal launch angles. Any time he’s putting the ball on the ground, a negative outcome can be expected.

    What it comes down to for Brian is finding a more harmonious combination of batted ball trajectories. There isn’t a singular formula that works. In 2015 when Dozier hit 28 homers, he owned just a 13.1% HR/FB rate. However, he also owned a 22.6% LD rate that season and hit the ball on the ground just 33% of the time. In 2016 when he blasted 42 long balls, there was an 18.4% HR/FB thanks to a career best 47.7% FB rate. Right now, taking away ground balls and adding those outcomes to line drives and fly balls would help make up ground.

    As a whole however, this current version of Dozier isn’t far off from what he’s been any of the previous two seasons. In 2015, he went gangbusters prior to the All-Star break and then slid from there. Since then, he’s become a guy known for his second half outbursts. There’s no reason to believe that isn’t the same scenario waiting to play itself out.

    In 15 games during July, Dozier owns a .298/.369/.632 slash line. It’s brought his season OPS up nearly .50 points and could be a precursor for the breakout we’ve come to expect. Given the state of the Twins as a whole, and reality that Dozier will move on following the conclusion of this season, I’d still be looking to move him right now. Allowing another team, or even this fan base, to talk down his current production or projection the rest of the way would be a misstep however.

    The Twins were right to hold on to Dozier a couple of winters ago when the Dodgers were willing to give up only Jose De Leon in return. Minnesota is now also right in looking at moving him, and I’d hardly be shocked if the return doesn’t work out better at this current juncture.

    Far too often there’s a tendency to be enamored with a poor batting average or a quick assessment regarding what we may have seen. While the 40+ home run outlier shouldn’t have ever become the expectation, a full 162 game season from even the 2018 version of Brian Dozier would still be one of the best at the position in all of baseball.


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    Dozier this year is playing about league average second base.  Of course one ****ty game and the pitchforks come out. 

     

    You should probably take a look at their hands. You'll notice the blisters.

     

    They've had a strong grip on those pitchforks for awhile.  :)

     

     

     

    Ummmm no, no one expected Dozier to be in AAA his 1st season in minor league ball. The point is Gordon is a 22 year old who's already reached AAA. He has a lot of time and development to go before he reaches his peak. 

     

    This really is not a difficult concept. Have you never considered what age a player is before?

    If y'all are encouraged that a 5th overall draft pick in his fifth season of pro ball is sitting in AAA with a .602 OPS just because he's 22 (which, of course he is 22 years old, he was drafted out of high school), then that's great. I see a player who hasn't dominated any level he's been promoted from, who likely gets switched off shortstop, and who will likely be a utility player when it's all said and done. And he was a 5th overall pick. We haven't gotten much from our recent high draft picks (though I still have hopes from Buxton).  I don't think this organization has shown that following the Astros blueprint is something they can do successfully (though, in fairness, the new organization hasn't had much time).

    Edited by jimmer

    I am neither excited nor concerned about Gordon. I am confident he will be a starting and contributing major league infielder. The Twins need to be patient and make sure he has demonstrated command of the strike zone in AAA. That will happen though maybe not timed with Dozier’s departure.

     

    from 15-now Brian Dozier has scored the sixth most runs in baseball. He has had the 18th most RBI. If it is all about runs the Dozier would be a superstar

    He's been hitting mostly leadoff and he's been extremely durable. That explains the stats. He is one of the worst hitters when RISP. If that makes him a superstar, I don't know what else to say.

    If y'all are encouraged that a 5th overall draft pick in his fifth season of pro ball is sitting in AAA with a .602 OPS just because he's 22 (which, of course he is 22 years old, he was drafted out of high school), then that's great. I see a player who hasn't dominated any level he's been promoted from, who likely gets switched off shortstop, and who will likely be a utility player when it's all said and done. And he was a 5th overall pick. We haven't gotten much from our recent high draft picks (though I still have hopes from Buxton). I don't think this organization has shown that following the Astros blueprint is something they can do successfully (though, in fairness, the new organization hasn't had much time).

    Giving up on a 22 year old who’s played 50 games in AAA is odd to say the least

     

    He's been hitting mostly leadoff and he's been extremely durable. That explains the stats. He is one of the worst hitters when RISP. If that makes him a superstar, I don't know what else to say.

    You said runs are what matters.  Dozier scores runs and drives in runs.  Runs were your stand and Dozier has number that are very favorable for run production.

    To be fair, Dozier has demonstrated the ability to get on base and Escobar has demonstrated the ability to drive in runs when RISP. Escobar just started to show more power when getting regular AB.

    isn't Dozier's seasin OBP in the very low .300s? Edited by jimmer

     

    He's been hitting mostly leadoff and he's been extremely durable. That explains the stats. He is one of the worst hitters when RISP. If that makes him a superstar, I don't know what else to say.

    Dozier's OPS RISP
    2013 - .841
    2014 - .727
    2015 - .774
    2016 - .856
    2017 - .879
    2018 - .676

     

    Granted this year is terrible, but over his carrier he hasn't been. Sadly for this year that isn't far off from his overall numbers.

     

     

    If y'all are encouraged that a 5th overall draft pick in his fifth season of pro ball is sitting in AAA with a .602 OPS just because he's 22 (which, of course he is 22 years old, he was drafted out of high school), then that's great. I see a player who hasn't dominated any level he's been promoted from, who likely gets switched off shortstop, and who will likely be a utility player when it's all said and done. And he was a 5th overall pick. We haven't gotten much from our recent high draft picks (though I still have hopes from Buxton).  I don't think this organization has shown that following the Astros blueprint is something they can do successfully (though, in fairness, the new organization hasn't had much time).

     

    While I get that the odds of Gordon ever becoming a Super Star like Lindor or Corea are grim.  I guess I still don't understand the pessimistic view.  The guy bats around 280 or 290 at each level.  He has good contact skills as he doesn't strike out much and has a canon for an arm.  He has been young for each level he has played at and is finally struggling a little in AAA like most players do.  Pegging him as a likely Utility man at this stage seems incredibly pessimistic.  The kid is still pretty skinny and needs some time to fill out so likely a bit a of late bloomer but if he is your standard for bust then apparently it is super star or bust for you.

     

    I agree it would be nice if the Twins only drafted super stars but every team would like to do that.  Unfortunately it is hard to predict how players will perform.  Gordon is far from their worst pick and I wouldn't even say a bad pick yet.

     

    If y'all are encouraged that a 5th overall draft pick in his fifth season of pro ball is sitting in AAA with a .602 OPS just because he's 22 (which, of course he is 22 years old, he was drafted out of high school), then that's great. I see a player who hasn't dominated any level he's been promoted from, who likely gets switched off shortstop, and who will likely be a utility player when it's all said and done. And he was a 5th overall pick. We haven't gotten much from our recent high draft picks (though I still have hopes from Buxton).  I don't think this organization has shown that following the Astros blueprint is something they can do successfully (though, in fairness, the new organization hasn't had much time).

    To be honest I am discouraged. He is the guy I wanted to Twins to draft that year and I was really hoping the floor was going to be his brother and as of now he is not living up to that (for me). While I am discouraged I am really hopeful he figures something out and becomes Brian Dozier. (a top 3- 12 major league second basemen averaging 3.5+ WAR for 7 plus years)

     

    But I am also the guy that hates taking a high school kid in the first round and he takes 7-8 to be a average major league player.

    I could see Gordon progressing similarly to Denard Span. Their minor league numbers aren't that different for the ages and levels. Span didn't really break out until he was 24 (7th year, but didn't play in his draft year). Strikeout/walk rates fluctuate from "barely acceptable" to "good, not great". But if he ends up an average MLB starter then that is certainly an acceptable outcome. You need those kinds of guys too, especially when they're on rookie-scale deals.

     

    That said, I understand the (misdirected) angst because at some point you do need an actual star or two to turn out from all of these high draft picks and key IFAs. A lineup of average Joes is going to struggle to win anything more than the occasional weak division.

     

    To be honest I am discouraged. He is the guy I wanted to Twins to draft that year and I was really hoping the floor was going to be his brother and as of now he is not living up to that (for me). 

     

    When his brother turned 26 years old he had played in 181 games and compiled a bWAR of -0.7

     

    Nick Gordon is 22 and has played 50 games in AAA 

     

    When his brother turned 26 years old he had played in 181 games and compiled a bWAR of -0.7

     

    Nick Gordon is 22 and has played 50 games in AAA 

    To Clarify I was hoping it wouldn't take 5+ Plus year in the minors to get where is brother was at age 26.

    Plus Dee had only played about 350 games in the minors by Nick's current age with better stats, compared to Nick's 535 games.

    Like I said above, I am hopeful he gets there (really, really hopeful), but a career minor league player with a .333 OBP and .390  SLG. usually doesn't turn into everyday player and quasi All Star.

     

    Edited by Tomj14

     

    To Clarify I was hoping it wouldn't take 5+ Plus year in the minors to get where is brother was at age 26.

     

     

    You literally wrote he's not living up to his brother. His brother was not a productive Major leaguer until he was 26/27. Nick Gordon is 22

     

    You literally wrote he's not living up to his brother. His brother was not a productive Major leaguer until he was 26/27. Nick Gordon is 22

    I wrote "I was really hoping the floor was going to be his brother and as of now he is not living up to that (for me)"

    The for me is the important part, I am not trying to sway anybody else, it is my opinion. Dee didn't play baseball until high school because he was wanted to be a basketball player.

    So taking that and that Dee was a 4th rounder and not the 5th overall pick, I don't think he living up to that, if you do that is great, I am not going to argue that.

     

    The definition of discouraged is having lost confidence or enthusiasm; disheartened.

    That is where I am right now.

     

    I only look at batting avg when RISP because that's what matters the most.

    So you look at the batting average and not the result of the batting which shows him to be near the top in run production. RISP to talent suffers from SSS and that SF do not count towards RISP but do count towards run production

     

    I wrote "I was really hoping the floor was going to be his brother and as of now he is not living up to that (for me)"

    The for me is the important part, I am not trying to sway anybody else, it is my opinion. Dee didn't play baseball until high school because he was wanted to be a basketball player.

    So taking that and that Dee was a 4th rounder and not the 5th overall pick, I don't think he living up to that, if you do that is great, I am not going to argue that.

     

    The definition of discouraged is having lost confidence or enthusiasm; disheartened.

    That is where I am right now.

     

    Dee was drafted out of CC, not out of high school. Nick has reached every minor league level at a much younger age. I'm just confused by what your criteria is because you haven't given a reason yet why he hasn't lived up to his brother?

    You should probably take a look at their hands. You'll notice the blisters.

     

    They've had a strong grip on those pitchforks for awhile.  :)

    When we were kids our dad always told us it doesn't take a strong man to break a pitch fork handle, only a stupid one. We proved him right way too often. I know that has nothing to do with BD, but all the pitchfork talk brought back the memory. :).

     

    Giving up on a 22 year old who’s played 50 games in AAA is odd to say the least

     

    I'd call it hacky analysis, but odd works as a descriptor too. Steamer projects Gordon as a slightly below league average offensive SS at the age of 22. Anyone suggesting he is a bust shouldn't be taken seriously. Of all the things to be negative about...

    Edited by launchingthrees



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