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    Seth Stohs

    Since the Twins traded closer Brandon Kintzler to the Nationals on July 31st, the team’s bullpen has been under some fan scrutiny. However, aside from one game, the bullpen has come up big. Again, in all but one game, the bullpen has come through, and that was in the third of three straight games in which the team’s starter failed to go past five innings.

    Hopefully the bullpen will be able to continue getting the job done. It will be important if they want to maintain playoff aspirations. Here’s a quick look at how we got here, and what they could do next.

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    The Twins bullpen has not been good again this year. Here are the numbers:

    Bullpen ERA: 4.53 (25th)

    Strikeouts: 345 (26th)

    Walks: 132 (7th)

    Batting Average Against: .269 (30th)

    Also, the Twins bullpen ranks seventh in Innings pitched with 407.1 innings. That is largely the fault of the starting rotation. Even with the first halves of Ervin Santana and Jose Berrios, the starters’ ERA is 4.89 (26th). The 625.1 innings the Twins starters have thrown ranks 27th lowest. They are also in the bottom half of MLB in strikeouts, walks, and batting average against. Again, the bullpen has generally been OK (not good, but not horrific either) until they have to throw a lot of innings due to a run of short starts.

    While the Twins were generally healthy during spring training, there were some things that were already known.

    First, while Glen Perkins was trying to throw some bullpens, it was clear that he would miss an extended time at the beginning of the season. Trevor May was going to be transitioned back to a starter before his season ended before it started when he had Tommy John surgery.

    In the offseason, the Twins spent $2 million on veteran Matt Belisle. He had four horrific outings early in the season. But then he was nearly flawless for about six weeks before becoming the team’s closer. He recorded saves in his first three opportunities before blowing one.

    The Twins also brought in some veteran types on minor league contracts. Craig Breslow got the longest big league look before the Twins DLd him and released him. Drew Rucinski has seen some time. Independent ball signing Nik Turley made three starts that didn’t go well, though it looks like his future could be in the bullpen.

    So, why did the Twins sign so few relievers when we knew that there was potential for it to be a huge concern?

    Brandon Kintzler would likely be solid, if not a stereotypical closer. He was much better than anticipated, even earning an All-Star berth and appearance. Taylor Rogers was coming off a solid rookie season and looking to improve upon it. Ryan Pressly’s clearly got the stuff to believe in. Fair to say that hasn’t gone real well much of this season. Tyler Duffey made the move to the bullpen and needed an opportunity to develop in that role.

    It was clear from the get-go that 2017 was going to be an evaluation year for Derek Falvey and Thad Levine. That meant giving extended opportunities to several arms. Could Buddy Boshers be an alternative if (and eventually when) Craig Breslow didn’t pan out? Michael Tonkin got through 2016 without an option. Could he take a step forward in 2017?

    The team also added Justin Haley in the Rule 5 draft and wanted to evaluate him. Just like claiming the likes of Adam Wilk, Chris Heston and Dillon Gee. Add arms and evaluate.

    Already, we have mentioned nine names for eight (and ideally seven) bullpen spots. But then there were other injuries that started piling up toward the end of spring training.

    JT Chargois and his upper-90s fastball had a terrific September for the Twins and could have been a key contributor this season. Instead, 2017 has been the third lost season for Chargois since the Twins drafted him in 2012.

    Nick Burdi had a lost 2016 season, but in the season’s first month, he was throwing hard, and throwing strikes, and seemingly very closer to debuting with the Twins. Instead, he had Tommy John surgery in May and that will likely cost him much of the 2018 season as well.

    Tyler Jay was moved from the role of starting pitcher to reliever in spring training. The idea was that he would be able to move up more quickly. Instead, he’s missed nearly the entire season with biceps tendinitis and thoracic outlet-type symptoms.

    And Jake Reed stayed with the big league club through most of spring training, but in the final spring game, he pulled a muscle in his side and missed the season’s first two months.

    If you want to add Mason Melotakis to this group, that may work because he was supposed to get to the big league club this year. Unfortunately, he pulled an oblique early in the spring and didn’t have an opportunity to pitch in big league camp. While he hasn’t been injured, his velocity is way down. His numbers at AAA Rochester have been quite good. But he was able to be DFAd, went unclaimed and was outrighted to Rochester.

    Each of those guys was likely expected to be a key contributor in the Twins bullpen by this time in the season. Instead, they have received zero innings so far but Reed, and possibly Melotakis, has a shot of getting a call this season.

    However, that has opened up opportunity for others. Alan Busenitz got the call first. He went up and down a few times, but with recent outings, he has shown good improvement. His mid-to-upper 90s fastball is good, and he has a good breaking ball too.

    Trevor Hildenberger was the Twins Daily Minor League Relief Pitcher of the Year in 2015 and 2016. He came up in late June and has shown that he can get big league hitters out. On Sunday, he got four outs to record his first MLB save. While his fastball sits in the upper-80s most of the time, his changeup is really, really good. And he throws each of his pitches from a couple of angles.

    Busenitz and Hildenberger should factor into the 2018 Twins bullpen options. Hopefully Jay and Reed, Chargois and Melotakis, and maybe even Burdi at some point, will get an opportunity and could factor into the bullpen.

    But other names have surfaced for 2018 as well. John Curtiss had a very strong 2016 season, spending a month in Cedar Rapids before moving up to the Miracle. He also performed well in the Arizona Fall League. He’s been absolutely fantastic in 2017, both in Chattanooga and since his move up to Rochester.

    Luke Bard was recently promoted to AAA after putting up huge strikeout numbers at Chattanooga. Ryan Eades has been solid in the bullpen. The Twins also acquired lefty reliever Gabriel Moya from the Diamondbacks in exchange for John Ryan Murphy. He’s put up silly numbers at AA all year. Nick Anderson has been, arguably, quietly, the best reliever in the Twins farm system all season. Todd Van Steensel has put up another year with great numbers, this time at Chattanooga.

    And we don’t know what the ultimate roles will be for the likes of Fernando Romero, Dietrich Enns, Dereck Rodriguez or other starters in the upper levels of the minor leagues.

    The cabinet is certainly not bare, and as Falvey and Levine have said, accumulating arms and talented arms is clearly a focus.

    If you’re looking for a sleeper for 2018, look to the GCL where right-hander Michael Kohn has been pitching the last few weeks. A former teammate of Torii Hunter, Kohn threw for the Twins in a tryout and soon after the Twins offered him a deal. Kohn was eating lunch with another former teammate and former Twins reliever Kevin Jepsen when his agent texted him with the Twins offer. The Twins signed him to a two-year minor league deal that includes an invitation to big league camp in 2018. He hasn’t pitched in the big leagues since May of 2015 due to shoulder surgery. In 115 games (132 games) over parts of five seasons in the big leagues, he struck out 111. He has pitched five innings over five appearances in the GCL over the last two weeks.

    And finally, there is Glen Perkins. The three-time All-Star hasn’t pitched since April of 2016. He had shoulder surgery, reattaching the muscle to the bone. It had to be incredibly painful, and clearly it has taken a ton of work to get back. His rehab stint in entering its final week. The Twins will (presumably) call him up and give him an opportunity. I’m realistic about how much he’ll be able to contribute down the stretch. I hope he can just be solid. This is most likely the final season of his career, unless his plans have changed due to these injuries. The Twins aren’t going to pick up his option. So enjoy what he’s got left. Hope for the best. Appreciate the work he’s put in to get back and remember how great he was for a three or four year stretch.

    The Twins could certainly go out right now and add a reliever or two in a trade. The cost, in terms of dollars or prospects would not be high. Or, they could call up guys like John Curtiss, Mason Melotakis, Luke Bard and Jake Reed in September and give them a shot.

    The cupboard for Twins relief pitching options is far from bare. I would again advocate in the upcoming offseason that they not go crazy on bullpen arms in free agency. Maybe one veteran on a one-year, low cost, low risk deal, and a couple more minor league signings. That’s it. And then find a manager and pitching coach (whether that is Paul Molitor and Neil Allen or not) who will be willing to go with the young arms.

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    I think the "stat guys" were saying that it was hard to predict which RPs would be good, and that they were expensive because of that, relative to expected outcomes, not that RPs were not worth signing if you could figure out which ones would be good. 

     

    Maybe...... and I could be misremembering, but I remember that they were not worth signing specifically because you can't be sure which ones would be good, so don't do it at all, and use the grow your own method.

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    concur.

     

    The argument "don't sign these guys because they might not be good, or might get injured.  Let's instead hope these other guys become good, and don't get injured" doesn't make much sense to me.

    I really have no problem with that but at some point internal options have to step up especially if you have been drafting for the intent purposes of having a great relief corps.    Quite possibly May, Burdi and Chargois were 3 of the top 5 guys we were counting on in the pen.    What team wouldn't be hurt pretty severely to have their top 3 relievers out before the season even started?   I only say possibly because there was a chance May was going to start.   You can only plan so far.    If KC's elite 3 relievers had season ending injuries before the season started would it have been fair for the fans to say "hey, they should have had 3 more elite relievers in reserve"   Where would the early decade Twins have been if Rincon and Hawkins had gotten hurt?    Later Twins if Crain and Guerrier got injured a week into the season?

    I am fine with investing in quality relievers.   I just don't like the argument that relying on internal options for next year is identical to relying on internal options in other years.   Different levels of talent and stages in development make that point very weak, imo.   

     

    I really have no problem with that but at some point internal options have to step up especially if you have been drafting for the intent purposes of having a great relief corps.    Quite possibly May, Burdi and Chargois were 3 of the top 5 guys we were counting on in the pen.    What team wouldn't be hurt pretty severely to have their top 3 relievers out before the season even started?   I only say possibly because there was a chance May was going to start.   You can only plan so far.    If KC's elite 3 relievers had season ending injuries before the season started would it have been fair for the fans to say "hey, they should have had 3 more elite relievers in reserve"   Where would the early decade Twins have been if Rincon and Hawkins had gotten hurt?    Later Twins if Crain and Guerrier got injured a week into the season?

    I am fine with investing in quality relievers.   I just don't like the argument that relying on internal options for next year is identical to relying on internal options in other years.   Different levels of talent and stages in development make that point very weak, imo.   

    But that's my point...When May, Burdi, and Chargois are "3 of the top 5" you're in trouble before the season even starts.

     

    May had trouble the previous season, and it borders on malpractice to count on two guys with both little-to-no MLB experience and injury histories.

     

    I've been hearing about how Burdi et al are the bullpen fix since the day they were drafted.  Build a pen, and let minor leaguers like that force their way in, or at worst, be among those considered for the inevitable injuries and/or ineffectiveness in the big league pen.

     

    Nobody ever suffered from having too many good options.

     

    But that's my point...When May, Burdi, and Chargois are "3 of the top 5" you're in trouble before the season even starts.

     

    May had trouble the previous season, and it borders on malpractice to count on two guys with both little-to-no MLB experience and injury histories.

     

    I've been hearing about how Burdi et al are the bullpen fix since the day they were drafted.  Build a pen, and let minor leaguers like that force their way in, or at worst, be among those considered for the inevitable injuries and/or ineffectiveness in the big league pen.

     

    Nobody ever suffered from having too many good options.

    Again, no problem with the last sentence.   Burdi was drafted in 2014 and et al were drafted then or near then so anyone saying they were the bullpen fix for 2014, 2015 or even 2016 were unrealistic.    Just like Buxton and Sano injuries have made us wait an extra year but they may still be the fix for 2018 or 2019.   I haven't seen them pitch so I really don't know.   Maybe we really do need to get a lot of outside help.    I just never liked the argument referred to in my other post.    Fans before the season were saying how can a team do basically nothing and expect not to lose 103 games again.    Well, we let talent develop and we would now have to go 0-46 to lose 103. 

     

    It's admirable of Perkins to get this far after a serious injury... But honestly, I don't know if I want to see him in a Twins uniform. Especially if they're playing meaningful games in September. 

     

    Could not agree more, Van. Watching Perkins waltz into the bullpen wearing his "free pass" hometown boy Gopher t-shirt under his uniform? No thank you. It's sort of like the Phillies and Ryan Howard. He did some good things for this team, but when a guy's out of gas you gotta DFA him and just let someone else take a flyer if they want. He's toast and this Twins fans does not want to see him in a MN uniform ever again. Perkins hasn't pitched for over a year and the last time he did he was getting plastered and was a huge contributor to the collapse in the early days of a dreadful 2016. This team needs to bury the ghost and move on with what got them here. I think Perkins returning would have a negative effect on the clubhouse and the way the team feels - kinda like when that hated co-worker returns from a long vacation in the office.

    I agree with so much here, both sides of the aisle even, and could post quite a few quotes. Of course, that would prove monotonous as hell.

     

    The Twins have drafted quite a few power arms the past few years. Some for the pen, some with the idea of starting before moving back to the pen. Ryan very clearly made a mistake in expecting too much too soon from these guys. The lack of major activity by the new FO this past off season was limited time and familiarity with the club, prospects, and possible expectations in what is/was an evaluation year. But even with some very disappointing injuries holding some guys back, others have stepped to the forefront: Reed, Curtiss, Busentiz, etc.

     

    Duffey shows promise; great start, slippage, and now pitching well again. Early returns on Hildenberger and Busentiz are encouraging. Pressly has shown positively before this season and has great stuff. It looks like he's been turning it around after discovery he was trying "too hard" and overthrowing. (Something I've been saying for over a month now).

     

    Relief pitchers, their stats, their season's, streaks within their season's, can often prove volatile. We know this. Still, there is NOTHING wrong with this team signing a quality, proven RP. Further, there is NOTHING wrong with signing a second, maybe even a third arm coming off injury, or a poor season bounce back, or even a failed SP that is open to converting. But you also can't ignore the arms currently on roster, and close, as well as the interns injury options that should be back at some point in 2018.

     

    In other words, do both! Sign the big arm. Take a flier or maybe two, one from the port side. But for a club over the initial rebuilding hump, DO NOT ignore what you have on hand to audition, develop and build with.

    Side note: Good for Perkins to work this hard in his attempt. I think he's toast. And no matter what, his option will not be picked up. But what if he actually shows a little Something? We talk about a FA or two, a flier here and there, if he actually shows something, how about a 1 year prove it deal with some incentives to see if he can team with Rogers to form an effective LH duo?

    Side note: Good for Perkins to work this hard in his attempt. I think he's toast. And no matter what, his option will not be picked up. But what if he actually shows a little Something? We talk about a FA or two, a flier here and there, if he actually shows something, how about a 1 year prove it deal with some incentives to see if he can team with Rogers to form an effective LH duo?

    Something wrong with Boshers filling that role possibly with O'Rourke as plan B or maybe Nik Turley? Boshers has been extremely effective vs LHB.

    Something wrong with Boshers filling that role possibly with O'Rourke as plan B or maybe Nik Turley? Boshers has been extremely effective vs LHB.

    Nope. Like most of what Boshers has done, really intrigued by the potential of Turley, but control still may be an issue. Was hopeful for Melotakis and Jay, but injury has slowed both. And there are some guys like Rosario and others that could come up. But right now, 2018-19, if Perkins actually shows something, I'd have to consider him on a 1 year.

     

    It's admirable of Perkins to get this far after a serious injury... But honestly, I don't know if I want to see him in a Twins uniform. Especially if they're playing meaningful games in September. 

    I doubt he gets into any game that is not decided.  I assume he is mop up man.

     

    Huh? Did I forget to add the "if they want" qualifier?

    Levine practically apologized for being unable to complete a trade in the Strib last week.

     

    The Twins “have placed a lot of [waiver] claims on players we think can help our team,” Levine said, but have not been able to negotiate a trade. “It’s not for lack of effort on our part,” he added. “We’ve already pivoted once in this process, and I think we demonstrated a willingness to respond to the way the team is performing. … We have the support of ownership to do it, and we’re going to continue to be creative and aggressive the rest of the season to help our team.”

     

    Sounds like they want to add a player(s). I assume bullpen, but we can't say for sure I guess. In any case, its another reason to over-prepare before the season starts, because you can't necessarily swing a trade later, especially in August.

     

    Sounds like they want to add a player(s). I assume bullpen, but we can't say for sure I guess. In any case, its another reason to over-prepare before the season starts, because you can't necessarily swing a trade later, especially in August.

    That was one of the things that bugged me in the Gleeman - Levine interview:

     

     

    One of the things that hurt us this year, and this just speaks to having areas of the game and how you really just can't count on human beings, especially men—I mean, we're very unpredictable—is that we had a bunch of guys—Tyler Jay, J.T. Chargois, Nick Burdi, Jake Reed, Ryan O'Rourke, Trevor May—all of them got hurt. And those are six guys right there that, if I had to guess, come August 1, how many of them would be on our major-league staff of 12 guys? I would have probably told you five.

     

    Counting on 5 of those 6 to be healthy and effective in MLB in 2017 never seemed realistic.

     

    That was one of the things that bugged me in the Gleeman - Levine interview:

     

     

    Counting on 5 of those 6 to be healthy and effective in MLB in 2017 never seemed realistic.

     

    Agreed. Trevor May, and maybe Chargois since he had a cup of joe last year I could see. The rest were still unproven, raw, or in the case of O'Rourke, AAAA material. 

     

    Agreed. Trevor May, and maybe Chargois since he had a cup of joe last year I could see. The rest were still unproven, raw, or in the case of O'Rourke, AAAA material. 

    Even May was hurt and ineffective for much of 2016, and Chargois missed two whole seasons and only had a month of effective MLB pitching on his resume.

     

    And like I always say, you don't have to cut them. You can certainly hope they contribute. But planning on 5 of 6?  That's not bad luck, that's bad planning.

    Yes YES so many talnted arms, and from the unexpected.

     

    But, man, talk about having all your TOP prospects go down at once. What a bullpen that would make, if healthy.

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    Think the Twins are sitting pretty well. They do have to move on from the also rans, even in invites to spring training. The prospects should be equal to the Tonkins, Wimmers, Boshers, Presslys and Duffeys.

     

    A whole new look for Twins pitching.

     

    Now who is the rotation, what with May on rehab and Hughes probably gone. Berrios, Santana and whom?




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