Twins 5, Pirates 6: Bullpen Carries That Weight, Fails in the Ninth

[1985Fan]

2 hours ago, karcherd said:

I have liked how Shelty has managed the bullpen so far.  But it is time to establish roles and stop trying the matchup game for every situation.  You can move people out of roles after a while if they struggle.  But we need some backend guys and let them get used to pitching in those situations.  Even Shelty has mentioned he wants this, hopefully he will move quickly in this direction.

It would be great if the BP had a backend guy or two to move into set roles. I think that Orze, Banda, and Gomez are contenders for setup and closer roles. It does look like all three have performed well lately, so maybe they can step into those roles. If Sands comes back and is close to form, he gives them another high leverage arm. There doesn’t appear to be any help coming from AAA though, so that is concerning. Don’t know how Raya has pitched recently, but he seems like the only guy that could step up this season (if he can string together several good appearances). 

[Hunter4848]

47 minutes ago, karcherd said:

Who do we have to sell, Ryan and maybe Jeffers.  Buxton has a no trade clause and Bell no one wanted last year and no will want him this year.  I personally think they should be doing everything they can to extend Jeffers, do you really want Caratini behind the plate for 100 games next year.  There will be no one else that will draw any interest from around the league.

There isnt going to be a full season next year so trade anyone that isn't part of our future 

[JD-TWINS]

14 hours ago, DocBauer said:

I still don't dislike Rogers on the team as a veteran reliever who's BTDT. And he hasn't been terrible in his probable Swang Song, but that was a brutal loss.

The pen was pretty good otherwise.

The offense went to sleep again. 

Hopefully we can rebound and take the next 2 and finish with a solid road trip. 

Despite massive injuries to the pitching staff, overall, the young depth has come through and been exciting. I keep waiting and hoping the team can reach and stay around .500 and we can FINALLY see K-Pepper,  Rodriguez,  Roden, and Jenkins, possibly Gonzalez and Mendez as well. No offense to the guys playing now, but we've already seen the future with the young arms...though some of them have already had injury stints...but WHEN do we get to see the talented young prospects get an opportunity?

The injuries are MADDENING! This was SUPPOSED to be a team that MIGHT contend if they could just hang around for the first couple of months, waiting for bullpen help and a collection of AAA talent waiting in the wings. 

Instead, we have a decimated rotation that has really surprised. And the bullpen has SLOWLY gotten better. And I don't want to diminish Buxton or Jeffers, or improvement from Lee, and Martin, and Larnach. Even Clemens has surprised a bit. But the offense is really shallow right now. But what do you do when 2 of your top prospects are injured. Plus another player that isn't far removed from rookie status that is also injured. 

I keep waiting for the 2nd half of the season, which I've always spoken of. I've always believed the Twins were going to have to halves of a season. The first one was hopefully being in contention and at least sitting around .500 at worst.  MAYBE, considering TP's comments the Twins might be buyers. (Cough). But at least they wouldn't be SELLERS.  

What we NEED is our young arms to be healthy, bullpen AND rotation. And then we need our young top prospect OF to be healthy. I mean, it's NUTS that the ENTIRE primary AAA OF of Roden, Jenkins, and Rodriguez are ALL hurt! Mendez has been amazing since his promotion and Gonzalez has gotten hit since a bad start.  But WTH is with a curse of top prospects getting hurt?

You don't even have to squint to see a really good, and really fun 2027 Twins to follow, IF, we can just be reasonably healthy for the next few months. 

When you’re a knucklehead, that’s injury prone, and you slide head first into 1B - you get hurt - not really surprising at all from Rodriguez! …….. out through August.

Jenkins isn’t/wasn’t lighting it up at AAA - he was OK though. He’s 21 ……… don’t think we’ll see him until September.,

The PEN threw 4 scoreless after Bradley gave up 4. The PEN can’t get any better - but then after the eighth you’re out of arms.

Rogers threw Sunday/Tuesday/Thursday & called on in the 9th on Friday. That’s asking a lot. …….. these are things that happen when you’re in the middle of 17 straight days of baseball. Rojas injury was a killer!!

[DJL44]

How much longer can they afford to carry Marco Raya on the 40-man roster?

[ashbury]

Just now, DJL44 said:

How much longer can they afford to carry Marco Raya on the 40-man roster?

They're at  38 players on that roster, so they don't need the room at the moment.  SWR was DFAed not to free up 40-man room but to free up 26-man room.

[karcherd]

4 hours ago, Hunter4848 said:

There isnt going to be a full season next year so trade anyone that isn't part of our future 

It does take two to make a trade and we really don't have a lot of desirable pieces.

[Hunter4848]

2 hours ago, karcherd said:

It does take two to make a trade and we really don't have a lot of desirable pieces.

Buxton, Jeffers, and Ryan are certainly extremely desirable 

[karcherd]

10 minutes ago, Hunter4848 said:

Buxton, Jeffers, and Ryan are certainly extremely desirable 

It is up to Buxton if he goes or not.

[Hunter4848]

Just now, karcherd said:

It is up to Buxton if he goes or not.

Twins can force him to go if he wants to play baseball

[karcherd]

11 minutes ago, Hunter4848 said:

Twins can force him to go if he wants to play baseball

Your statement makes absolutely no sense.  He has a no trade clause and he is now a 10 and 5 player, meaning he has the right to approve any trade.  He has earned that right and they aren't going to sit him if he doesn't want to go.

[Hunter4848]

6 minutes ago, karcherd said:

Your statement makes absolutely no sense.  He has a no trade clause and he is now a 10 and 5 player, meaning he has the right to approve any trade.  He has earned that right and they aren't going to sit him if he doesn't want to go.

Just tell him he can sit on the bench for the rest of the year...

[karcherd]

6 minutes ago, Hunter4848 said:

Just tell him he can sit on the bench for the rest of the year...

So you are going to go with three bench players, good luck with that.  And there would be a grievance filed by the union if they attempted this.  At least live in the real world.

[Hunter4848]

3 minutes ago, karcherd said:

So you are going to go with three bench players, good luck with that.  And there would be a grievance filed by the union if they attempted this.  At least live in the real world.

He'd cave in a week. 

[karcherd]

2 minutes ago, Hunter4848 said:

He'd cave in a week. 

And the union would just stand by and allow this to happen. You know it doesn't work that way, but go ahead and think and say whatever you want.

[Hunter4848]

22 minutes ago, karcherd said:

And the union would just stand by and allow this to happen. You know it doesn't work that way, but go ahead and think and say whatever you want.

There are plenty of ways to get him to wave a no trade clause

[ashbury]

3 hours ago, Hunter4848 said:

There are plenty of ways to get him to wave a no trade clause

Many of which will make the franchise poison to future free agents and draft picks.