Luzardo to Phillies

[tony&rodney]

Two A ball prospects, a 50 and a 40 grade return to Miami.

Guess the physical must have been less than stellar on Luzardo.

This is a minimal return on a guy who was highly sought lafter last offseason.

[nicksaviking]

Kind of hard to gauge the return on this one. On one hand the Marlins got a top 100 prospect, but most likely they got nothing. Glove only infielders, with no power and minimal hit tools pretty much never amount to anything. Why BA and MLB continue to rank these kinds of players is baffling. Sounds like Jose Salas.

The Twins don’t currently have a top 100 prospect like this (because Salas turned to stone as expected), so would they have had to give up a legit prospect? Probably.

[Doctor Gast]

1 hour ago, tony&rodney said:

Two A ball prospects, a 50 and a 40 grade return to Miami.

Guess the physical must have been less than stellar on Luzardo.

This is a minimal return on a guy who was highly sought lafter last offseason.

I didn't see much fanfare, so I thought this was just another hyped-up podcast, but I guess it wasn't. I haven't checked it out yet. I'm surprised that MIA didn't wait until Luzardo was able to put up better #s at the deadline. Hurry up & nab Nardi

[tony&rodney]

16 minutes ago, nicksaviking said:

Why BA and MLB continue to rank these kinds of players is baffling. Sounds like Jose Salas.

 

The players given the the highest amount of dollars in bonuses almost always find their names on a list. If they are really young it will be in the back half of Top 100. 

The Twins have some comparable players to the prospects sent to Miami: Eduardo Beltre, Dameury Pena, and Yasser Mercedes to name three. It's best to see how a player does after a couple of hundred plate appearances at A and A+ before getting too excited.

My guess is that the recent Luzardo physical sent Miami into sell now for whatever mode. Philadelphia didn't really need a pitcher, but it's a gamble worth the price. The Twins could have sent Beltre and Mercedes.

[Mike Sixel]

As expected, the thread here was a massive over pay

[tony&rodney]

Just now, Mike Sixel said:

As expected, the thread here was a massive over pay

Thank you for your money.

[nicksaviking]

3 minutes ago, tony&rodney said:

The players given the the highest amount of dollars in bonuses almost always find their names on a list. If they are really young it will be in the back half of Top 100. 

The Twins have some comparable players to the prospects sent to Miami: Eduardo Beltre, Dameury Pena, and Yasser Mercedes to name three. It's best to see how a player does after a couple of hundred plate appearances at A and A+ before getting too excited.

My guess is that the recent Luzardo physical sent Miami into sell now for whatever mode. Philadelphia didn't really need a pitcher, but it's a gamble worth the price. The Twins could have sent Beltre and Mercedes.

None of those guys play SS, one is still in rookie league, and all of them are significantly better hitters than the guy the Phillies sent. Other than their ages, I don’t see the comparison.

[tony&rodney]

9 minutes ago, nicksaviking said:

Other than their ages, I don’t see the comparison.

That is the comparison.

They are so far away that evaluation needs to wait. There is evaluation before signing, development, and then more evaluation once they get to A+ or higher. Naturally, the coaches are always working with these young players on a entire raft of skills. Few 18, 19, or 20 year olds light up the world in baseball.

[nicksaviking]

22 minutes ago, tony&rodney said:

That is the comparison.

They are so far away that evaluation needs to wait. There is evaluation before signing, development, and then more evaluation once they get to A+ or higher. Naturally, the coaches are always working with these young players on a entire raft of skills. Few 18, 19, or 20 year olds light up the world in baseball.

If the Marlins trade conversation amounts to “Give us an 18-year-old player because they are all the same at this point” they should be fired. 
 

They probably should be fired, but there’s no chance they are that non-specific in what they demand in trades.

[tony&rodney]

24 minutes ago, nicksaviking said:

If the Marlins trade conversation amounts to “Give us an 18-year-old player because they are all the same at this point” they should be fired. 
 

They probably should be fired, but there’s no chance they are that non-specific in what they demand in trades.

We do not know what the physical showed. Philly does. They have loads of young players and are a team trying to win now, so they gamble a prospect highly rated but from ROK/A ball. It makes sense. 

Remember, as much as Caba is loved for his glove, he is iffy with the bat. Jose Salas isn't way off if viewed from his status several years ago. 

Miami likely called on a ton of teams. You have to admit, given Luzardo's 2023 performance, that this looks like a panic trade. Miami doesn't want to gamble the $6M. Philly does.

It can be safely stated that Miami has had some problems and maybe some bad luck too. 

In any event what a change from the recent post suggesting a trade for Jesus Luzardo. Without any knowledge of the medical issues, we cannot discern whether we (TD members) might have made a similar gamble with $6M and two ROK/A ball prospects.

[USAFChief]

Unless Luzardo's left arm has been amputated, this is a massive win for Philly.