How big of sample size do we need before we are sold on that is who the player is?

[chpettit19]

4 minutes ago, Riverbrian said:

I'd love to have that conversation with a pro scout. 

I would absolutely listen intently and remember everything said but... those words will just be details in the process that gets me to the same place that I already am.

"Not anywhere near an exact science" is exactly where I am right now and that is the point that I am making.  

My point isn't "blind guessing". or "semi-educated darts". 

  

 

 

 

Fair. But the idea that they don't know who has a legit chance to succeed unless they call them up is inaccurate. They didn't need to send me to the bigs after college to know I wasn't a major league player. The obviousness shrinks as the talent rises, but it doesn't disappear. Holes in swings end careers. It's that simple. If you have multiple holes in your swing, or multiple pitches you can't hit, you simply can't succeed at the major league level. If you don't have a second pitch, or can't throw multiple pitches for good strikes, you simply can't succeed at the major league level. Because the real major leaguers are too good. The pitchers will throw you off speed pitch after off speed pitch until a team sends you back to AAA (see: Larnach, Trevor). The hitters will sit on a pitch and absolutely destroy it time after time until a team sends you back to AAA (see: Pagan, Emilio. Oh wait...).

[chpettit19]

3 minutes ago, RpR said:

I  said nothing about solution, but it seems you and others think removing him IS a solution to all Twins problems..

Nope, we think it's a POSSIBLE solution to part of the Twins problems. We know he ISN'T a solution so we'd like to see if someone else is.

[RpR]

4 minutes ago, chpettit19 said:

Nope, we think it's a POSSIBLE solution to part of the Twins problems. We know he ISN'T a solution so we'd like to see if someone else is.

ONE player is the problem and solution, amazing case of tunnel vision caused by dislike for a person.

Some want to put lead glove Wallner out there, brilliant.

[chpettit19]

9 minutes ago, RpR said:

ONE player is the problem and solution, amazing case of tunnel vision caused by dislike for a person.

Some want to put lead glove Wallner out there, brilliant.

You seemed to have missed the phrase "part of" in my response. Perhaps the "case of tunnel vision" is in your reading.

I'm a big proponent of defense mattering, but offense matters more. Especially in a corner outfield spot on a team that struggles to score 2 runs most nights. Yes, I would put Wallner out there and sacrifice some defense to see if he can help pick up the offense.

You want to change nothing while the team continues to be completely incapable of scoring at a reasonable pace in the name of "keeping the starters that began the year out there because that's what fans pay to see." Brilliant.

[RpR]

2 minutes ago, chpettit19 said:

You seemed to have missed the phrase "part of" in my response. Perhaps the "case of tunnel vision" is in your reading.

I'm a big proponent of defense mattering, but offense matters more. Especially in a corner outfield spot on a team that struggles to score 2 runs most nights. Yes, I would put Wallner out there and sacrifice some defense to see if he can help pick up the offense.

You want to change nothing while the team continues to be completely incapable of scoring at a reasonable pace in the name of "keeping the starters that began the year out there because that's what fans pay to see." Brilliant.

Really replacing  a player who had 4 errors in Right Field in 8 years in the minors  with some who had 26 errors in Right Field  in 4 years in the minors is sacrificing SOME defense, LOL.

OK, I should have said wearing blinders, not tunnel vision.

[chpettit19]

10 minutes ago, RpR said:

Really replacing  a player who had 4 errors in Right Field in 8 years in the minors  with some who had 26 errors in Right Field  in 4 years in the minors is sacrificing SOME defense, LOL.

OK, I should have said wearing blinders, not tunnel vision.

I literally couldn't care less about errors. Especially for outfielders. And especially in the minors. It doesn't really tell you anything important. How many of those 26 errors were dropping fly balls? Kicking grounders? Throwing errors? How far did he range to get to the balls before committing his error? Pointing out their number of errors is just as bad as simply pointing to strike outs and suggesting that tells who is and isn't "the problem." And I'm not even suggesting he's a good defender. He's not. And I'm not sure he'll hit enough to make up for it. But I do know Kepler doesn't defend well enough to make up for his lack of hitting at a bat first position.

And I don't care what term or phrase you use. Kepler is 100% PART OF the problem with the Twins. Again, I didn't say he's THE problem, or changing him out fixes ALL their problems. I said PART OF. That has nothing to do with blinders, tunnel vision, or whatever other term or phrase you want to use. He can't hit. The Twins problem is their inability to hit. Suggesting he's not part of the problem is far more about having blinders, or tunnel vision, than suggesting he's 1 part of the team's problem.

[RpR]

4 hours ago, chpettit19 said:

I literally couldn't care less about errors. Especially for outfielders. And especially in the minors. It doesn't really tell you anything important. How many of those 26 errors were dropping fly balls? Kicking grounders? Throwing errors? How far did he range to get to the balls before committing his error? Pointing out their number of errors is just as bad as simply pointing to strike outs and suggesting that tells who is and isn't "the problem." And I'm not even suggesting he's a good defender. He's not. And I'm not sure he'll hit enough to make up for it. But I do know Kepler doesn't defend well enough to make up for his lack of hitting at a bat first position.

And I don't care what term or phrase you use. Kepler is 100% PART OF the problem with the Twins. Again, I didn't say he's THE problem, or changing him out fixes ALL their problems. I said PART OF. That has nothing to do with blinders, tunnel vision, or whatever other term or phrase you want to use. He can't hit. The Twins problem is their inability to hit. Suggesting he's not part of the problem is far more about having blinders, or tunnel vision, than suggesting he's 1 part of the team's problem.

 

4 hours ago, chpettit19 said:

I literally couldn't care less about errors. Especially for outfielders. And especially in the minors. It doesn't really tell you anything important. How many of those 26 errors were dropping fly balls? Kicking grounders? Throwing errors? How far did he range to get to the balls before committing his error? Pointing out their number of errors is just as bad as simply pointing to strike outs and suggesting that tells who is and isn't "the problem." And I'm not even suggesting he's a good defender. He's not. And I'm not sure he'll hit enough to make up for it. But I do know Kepler doesn't defend well enough to make up for his lack of hitting at a bat first position.

And I don't care what term or phrase you use. Kepler is 100% PART OF the problem with the Twins. Again, I didn't say he's THE problem, or changing him out fixes ALL their problems. I said PART OF. That has nothing to do with blinders, tunnel vision, or whatever other term or phrase you want to use. He can't hit. The Twins problem is their inability to hit. Suggesting he's not part of the problem is far more about having blinders, or tunnel vision, than suggesting he's 1 part of the team's problem.

WOW, the Polanco, who is on a list of the worst SS ever on MSN, should still be playing SS, LOL.

You simply dislike Kepler , your rhetoric says so. or he would not be the only player you say is the problem.

You have your opinion and I have mine, we do not agree; end of discussion.

[chpettit19]

7 minutes ago, RpR said:

 

WOW, the Polanco, who is on a list of the worst SS ever on MSN, should still be playing SS, LOL.

You simply hate Kepler , your rhetoric says so. or he would not be the only player you say is the problem.

You have your opinion and I have mine, we do not agree; end of discussion.

Who said Polanco should still be playing SS? I certainly didn't. Shortstop is different than RF. But, correct me if I'm wrong here, Jorge Polanco was the short stop on the 2019 MN Twins who won 101 games and had an awfully good offense while also having the 9th best team ERA in baseball. His defense sure didn't kill them that year, now did it? He was actually an All Star, and 13th in MVP voting. Crazy, I know.

I don't hate Kepler. My rhetoric doesn't say so. I haven't said he is THE problem. No 1 player is THE problem. He is part of the problem. I'm sorry you can't accept what I've said multiple times. I've said many, many, many, many, many times all over these forums that Kepler has been a solid player for many years, but has been asked to be more than he is. It's much the same now. But the team can't win with this offense. And Kepler is part of that problem, and plays a position they have possible replacements at. If you'd like to discuss other players who are part of the problem I'd love to. Buxton is. Correa is. Miranda is. Vazquez is. Nearly the entire offense is. But some are bigger parts than others, and some are easier to replace than others. Kepler is a bigger part, and easier to replace. So I'd like them to start there. Or they can keep doing it your way and watch this team continue to struggle. At least you'll know the names on the back of the jerseys while you watch them lose the worst division in baseball.

[Craig Arko]

How many ballots are there in HoF voting? Is everyone a unanimous first ballot choice? Then I guess that’s not enough.

[ashbury]

4 hours ago, RpR said:

Analogy does not work

Not an analogy.  Facts, served straight up.

[Squirrel]

2 hours ago, RpR said:

 

WOW, the Polanco, who is on a list of the worst SS ever on MSN, should still be playing SS, LOL.

You simply hate Kepler , your rhetoric says so. or he would not be the only player you say is the problem.

You have your opinion and I have mine, we do not agree; end of discussion.

Stop telling people they hate someone when you can’t formulate a rebuttal of your own. 

[Riverbrian]

15 hours ago, chpettit19 said:

Fair. But the idea that they don't know who has a legit chance to succeed unless they call them up is inaccurate. They didn't need to send me to the bigs after college to know I wasn't a major league player. The obviousness shrinks as the talent rises, but it doesn't disappear. Holes in swings end careers. It's that simple. If you have multiple holes in your swing, or multiple pitches you can't hit, you simply can't succeed at the major league level. If you don't have a second pitch, or can't throw multiple pitches for good strikes, you simply can't succeed at the major league level. Because the real major leaguers are too good. The pitchers will throw you off speed pitch after off speed pitch until a team sends you back to AAA (see: Larnach, Trevor). The hitters will sit on a pitch and absolutely destroy it time after time until a team sends you back to AAA (see: Pagan, Emilio. Oh wait...).

I'm not even sure if we are in disagreement with each other. However for the sake of the discussion. 

You can't have it both ways... You can't say that it isn't an exact science (I agree) and also say that these guys know what they are doing (I also agree) and then make up this unidentified super hero called Hole Man to make your point. 😁 

I'm not trying to be obtuse. I understand that there are some very knowledgeable baseball people around those diamonds. I'm sure they have a fancy VCR or two that can slow down video for a better look at things.  

I'm saying that you can't miss on Nick Anderson and then tell me... OK... yeah but this other guy... we know.

I'm saying... This other guy... this hole man guy... I don't want him up.

I'm really saying that you can't shove Keplers and Gallos down my throat and expect me to think... yeah... they got this down. 

 

 

[chpettit19]

11 hours ago, Riverbrian said:

I'm not even sure if we are in disagreement with each other. However for the sake of the discussion. 

You can't have it both ways... You can't say that it isn't an exact science (I agree) and also say that these guys know what they are doing (I also agree) and then make up this unidentified super hero called Hole Man to make your point. 😁 

I'm not trying to be obtuse. I understand that there are some very knowledgeable baseball people around those diamonds. I'm sure they have a fancy VCR or two that can slow down video for a better look at things.  

I'm saying that you can't miss on Nick Anderson and then tell me... OK... yeah but this other guy... we know.

I'm saying... This other guy... this hole man guy... I don't want him up.

I'm really saying that you can't shove Keplers and Gallos down my throat and expect me to think... yeah... they got this down. 

 

 

Fair.