Oswaldo Arcia

[Platoon]

I would believe that dealing with Arcia would drive veteran staid baseball men like Molitor and Ryan BS crazy. And Oswaldo didn't help himself either. I have watched his MiLB numbers a bit. He will resurface. Guys with his power are like high velocity pitchers. You can't teach it, so they keep getting a look. I still think he will make it. MLB is full of bat guys in the corner positions that are not adept with a glove. I hope he makes it, I loved watching him hit a baseball.

[drivlikejehu]

 

Good point, it's not the Twins fault that all these youngsters go onto stardom with a better coaching staff and approach, just like it's not their fault that they have been the worst overall team in baseball the last 6.5 seasons.

Yes, this is shame on them, they had no reason to give up on arcia so quickly! It made no sense imo!

 

You're taking this way too far - Meyer has an xFIP of 4.54 and Arcia is a AAAA player. The idea that players are leaving the Twins in droves to become stars elsewhere is objectively false.

[DaveW]

 

You're taking this way too far - Meyer has an xFIP of 4.54 and Arcia is a AAAA player. The idea that players are leaving the Twins in droves to become stars elsewhere is objectively false.

Ok so in response to me taking it too far, you point out a single stat (xFIP) for Meyer while ignoring the other stats, and prematurely calling Arcia a AAAA player when he is still pretty youthful.

Also plenty of other players have developed quite a bit after leaving the Twins:
Aaron Hicks
Wilson Ramos
Carlos Gomez
David Ortiz
Matt Garza

etc

[Squirrel]

This thread is about ARCIA and where he's at. Keep it to that and do not turn this into an 'All the past wrongs of the past GM' thread. Yes, you can disagree with Ryan's decision as it pertains to Arcia, but leave it there. 

[drivlikejehu]

 

Ok so in response to me taking it too far, you point out a single stat (xFIP) for Meyer while ignoring the other stats, and prematurely calling Arcia a AAAA player when he is still pretty youthful.

Also plenty of other players have developed quite a bit after leaving the Twins:
Aaron Hicks
Wilson Ramos
Carlos Gomez
David Ortiz
Matt Garza

etc

 

Every team has ex-players that do well after leaving (and your Ramos and Garza examples are extremely dubious since they were playing fine when traded). There are countless other players that failed with the Twins and never amounted to anything elsewhere, either.

 

I've been a strong critic of the Twins' player development efforts, but criticism should be rooted in reality. The idea that the Twins screwed up by not holding onto future star Oswaldo Arcia is not credible, so when you say things like that, it calls into question other points that may be legitimate.

[Darius]

He'll catch on and have success as a DH/1B somewhere eventually. Just too talented offensively.

 

People forget that it sometime takes longer for some than others to reach their potential. Some do it at 21, some at 27. Just within the past year a number who gave up on Sano, Berrios, and Buxton are now their biggest fans. Inevitably, someone who is calling him a bum today will chastise the Twins for letting him go in the future.

 

It's the nature of our awful social-media, instant gratification society that we've built. You take one bad AB and you're chopped liver until your next one.

[Platoon]

He'll catch on and have success as a DH/1B somewhere eventually. Just too talented offensively.

People forget that it sometime takes longer for some than others to reach their potential. Some do it at 21, some at 27. Just within the past year a number who gave up on Sano, Berrios, and Buxton are now their biggest fans. Inevitably, someone who is calling him a bum today will chastise the Twins for letting him go in the future.

It's the nature of our awful social-media, instant gratification society that we've built. You take one bad AB and you're chopped liver until your next one.

I had an acquaintance who thought Harmon Killebrew was a bum. And I was a huge Harmon fan. So every time he saw me, or for that matter anyone who would listen, he would blast The Killer. So at the most 3-6 people heard him rant after Harmon struck out with the bases loaded. For broader distribution, he would have had to type a letter and mail it to an editor who would not have included it in the daily newspaper. By that time Harmon might have hit three more HR's. I don't know if life was better then, but it was simpler. With no one particularly in mind, the the lack of technology allowed you to express your opinions mostly to people who already knew them, and had judged you thusly.

[ashbury]

It's the nature of our awful social-media, instant gratification society that we've built. You take one bad AB and you're chopped liver until your next one.

"What have you done for me lately" was a thing long before the intrawebs and teevee. It goes back at least to Bennett Cerf, who in 1943 probably was retelling an old joke. Nothing new under the sun.

[james2334]

In building a roster every team has to make difficult choices between talented players and let good players go sometimes in favor of another. Sometimes players leave and have success somewhere else, it happens all the time in baseball. In the case of Arcia the Twins were choosing between Arcia and Rosario and Kepler in the outfield. Rosario and Kepler had better all around potential and so they kept those two over Arcia. It could prove to be a mistake, but had they let Rosario or Kepler go they also have the potential to be all-stars with other teams. As far as DH goes, it I remember correctly, Arcia did not like the DH role which may have been a factor in not keeping him as a DH.

 

As for Hicks, at the time they traded him, I don't think they saw him as a good enough hitter to be a corner outfielder and since they felt Buxton was ready, they let Hicks go and kept Buxton. I think ultimately Buxton will be the better player, but time will tell. In baseball you have to make tough choices and live with the consequences. You can't just move your rookie third baseman to right field so that you can keep your popular veteran third baseman around for a little longer you've got to choose.

 

 

[Han Joelo]

All teams blow it on player evals.  Andrew Miller bounced around before the Red Sox helped him figure things out, but even they probably thought they were selling high when they traded him to Baltimore.  Maybe not.  Sometimes it takes the whole village (of MLB teams) to raise a child.