Article: Ervin Santana Is Legit

[bird]

 

I would look at this way, I think Santana has a decent chance of being good through his contract. While the Twins likely aren't making the playoffs this year, I think they can make another move in 18 and 19.

If I'm going to move Santana I want something that will clearly build towards that. Otherwise I'd roll with Santana.

Maybe my expectations are unrealistic, but I also don't see a huge need to move him, so I want it to be worthwhile. Maybe that package isn't there.

 

 

Exactly this for me too. The main piece has to be a frontline starter, a guy who projects as a #2-3, not a guy with a #3 ceiling. The closest thing we have to an acceptable main piece in our system? Berrios might tempt me, if Lewin Diaz, Blankenhorn, or a similar top 150-200 prospect was offered as the second piece, which would be mandatory for me because of the injury risk I'm assuming with the main piece. But I can see why some would move him at the deadline for a Fernando Romero/Rortvedt type package. And I suspect that's the kind of offer they see, if that even.

[Mike Sixel]

People still would keep him? Or am I reading that wrong? This team has no sherry term future. Deal for the future.

[Brock Beauchamp]

People still would keep him? Or am I reading that wrong? This team has no sherry term future. Deal for the future.

I'd try to move him but, as always, it'd require a solid deal to get it done. If Santana keeps rolling as a strong #2, I'd want a 50-ish prospect and two more upside guys from the low minors.

[Mike Sixel]

I'd try to move him but, as always, it'd require a solid deal to get it done. If Santana keeps rolling as a strong #2, I'd want a 50-ish prospect and two more upside guys from the low minors.

Probably won't be trading him them. That's stiff

[Brock Beauchamp]

Probably won't be trading him them. That's stiff

That is seriously NOT stiff for a controlled pitcher who has been well above average for two seasons. That's a damned reasonable request.

 

And I've never been particularly high on Santana. That's a fair going rate for a pitcher with 1.5 seasons of control plus an option.

[Mike Sixel]

That is seriously NOT stiff for a controlled pitcher who has been well above average for two seasons. That's a damned reasonable request.

And I've never been particularly high on Santana. That's a fair going rate for a pitcher with 1.5 seasons of control plus an option.

I would be good with one less player. This team is so many players away. Especially with two of their best hitting prospects missing the year.

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

I would be good with one less player. This team is so many players away. Especially with two of their best hitting prospects missing the year.

I'd want two guys simply because if a guy has upside, is in the low minors, but doesn't crack any top 100 lists, he's a pretty big risk.

 

Think Lewis Thorpe or Adam Brett Walker (had he been drafted as prep instead of college) when they were drafted/acquired.

 

I'm not talking about some prep fireballer who cracks top 100 lists right out of the gate.

[diehardtwinsfan]

 

I agree, but this is why I think they retain him. We may have too many sellers at the deadline, too much inventory available, to extract this kind of overpay for him. But for me, and I hope for Falvey, there's no great benefit in trading him for some prospect that projects as just another league-average starter. So I think Falvey keeps him, through his option year even.

 

There's always demand for pitching at the deadline, and if Santana continues to pitch well, he's going to be one of the top names if not the most coveted option, so I don't think too many sellers is the issue at hand at least for Ervin.

 

I do agree though that you don't move him for someone projected to be a 3.  I think Brock's request is fairly reasonable unless something happens that destroys his value.

[drjim]

Should have traded Santana yesterday when he still had value.

[yarnivek1972]

Rincon was legit for a while. So was Romero. The two of them were key assets on some very successful Twins teams.

 

I crossed it out for a different reason, because it's not proper.

Rincon was on roids for awhile too. And Romero was suspected, but smart enough not to get caught.

[yarnivek1972]

There are only 7 MLB pitchers that have begun the season with 4 straight quality starts; Syndergaard, Bumgarner, Sale, Strasburg, Keuchel, Duffy, and ERVIN SANTANA.

Which says more about the sorry state of pitching in MLB than anything else.

[Doomtints]

 

Rincon was on roids for awhile too. And Romero was suspected, but smart enough not to get caught.

 

We know, which is why they were brought up in this convo.