doing the opposite

[DaveW]

 

No, but Oswaldo has slightly more success at the MLB level, which balances out their value.

 

 

Has he though? Arcia has a career 0.0 WAR, Gausman has 2.6. Gausman is a pitcher which always will have more value when comparing to a no field corner OF type.

 

Baltimore won't make that trade and they would be foolish to even consider it, if you want a guy who strikes out a lot, can't play defense but can hit 20-25 HR then you can just snag a AAAA guy for free. (Like Parmelee)

 

And even if Arcia had performed better at the ML level it wouldn't balance out their value, Gausman still has plenty of upside, and had a 2.1 WAR season last year in a half season.

[diehardtwinsfan]

Arcia wasn't a bad prospect either. 

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

Has he though? Arcia has a career 0.0 WAR, Gausman has 2.6. Gausman is a pitcher which always will have more value when comparing to a no field corner OF type.

 

Baltimore won't make that trade and they would be foolish to even consider it, if you want a guy who strikes out a lot, can't play defense but can hit 20-25 HR then you can just snag a AAAA guy for free. (Like Parmelee)

Chris Parmelee is nothing like Oswaldo Arcia. Arcia has a higher career OPS+, has a full .100 higher MiLB OPS, and debuted two years younger.

 

Also, I hate fWAR for pitchers. Valuing a player on what should have happened instead of what actually happened doesn't fly with me. Good for future prediction, not so good for actual valuation of events that occurred on a baseball diamond. Gausman's rWAR is 0.4.

 

Besides, Gausman has spent most of the season in the bullpen. He's not going to be traded with a valuation of a starting pitcher. He's going to be traded as a curious bullpen arm with possible upside.

 

Not terribly different than Arcia as a curious platoon candidate with possible upside.

[DaveW]

 

 

 

Besides, Gausman has spent most of the season in the bullpen. He's not going to be traded with a valuation of a starting pitcher. He's going to be traded as a curious bullpen arm with possible upside.

 

Not terribly different than Arcia as a curious platoon candidate with possible upside.

May is in the bullpen, does that mean that the Twins consider him a bullpen arm moving forward?

Why on earth would the Orioles move Gausman? yeah, he was in the pen for a bit, but they are counting on him for the rotation in the future as well as the rest of this year as they fight for a playoff spot.He had a 3.57 ERA and a 3.41 FIP last year as a starter pitching in the hitter friendly AL East.

[Mike Sixel]

If I was Baltimore......I'd not have done a lot of what they've done with Gausmann......but they have done those things.

 

they might move him because he has a 5 ERA, and need to fill some holes.......or, they might move him back to the correct side of the rubber, let him throw his best pitch, and have a legit number 3......

[dbminn]

I don't think Arcia fits with the Orioles right now. They already have a weak corner OF defense. So...

 

Let's spice this trade up -

 

Rosario/Suzuki/Milone/Young Prospect for Wieters/Gausmann

 

The Orioles get a legitimate OF defender who can slash and has upside potential. They need a #5 starter and I'd take Milone over Bud Norris. Suzuki can platoon with Caleb Joseph. Wieters becomes a FA at the end of the year, so they can still sign him to a long-term contract (probably unlikely).

 

The Twins get a pitcher with upside potential. Put him in the bullpen and let him work with Neil Allen the rest of the season. May to the rotation for Milone. Either acquire an OF at the trade deadline or bring up Ortiz until Buxton is healthy. The Twins get two months of a top-flight catcher to appease the "win now" folks.

 

There is no likelihood this trade is made, but it's more fun than assuming the Orioles will trade a SP prospect for a no-field OF/power hitting prospect.

[Willihammer]

I'd start with an offer of Hunter+ABW and see what it takes to round it out. The O's would get a legit MLB corner bat for the rest of the year and a legit power bat who wouldn't require a 40 man spot to back him up. Plus one or two other spare parts if required. That might appeal to them if they are in fact serious about moving Gausman (which I find hard to believe).

[dbminn]

 

...I hate fWAR for pitchers. Valuing a player on what should have happened instead of what actually happened doesn't fly with me. Good for future prediction, not so good for actual valuation of events that occurred on a baseball diamond.

 

 

 

Thanks Brock. All a negative fWAR - ERA difference means for a young pitcher is, "If he ever gets command of his pitches, he'll be good".

[Kirby_waved_at_me]

Don't the Twins need a power hitting corner OF right now? I'd rather the Twins call up Arcia than offer the guy to the Orioles. I don't have a better suggestion for trading to get Gausman, though. 

 

A lot the frustration I've felt this year (despite the success the team has had) is that it feels like some guys are not being used effectively / correctly (Trevor May, Exhibit A). If they acquire Gausman, will they use him well? 

[Mike Sixel]

 

Don't the Twins need a power hitting corner OF right now? I'd rather the Twins call up Arcia than offer the guy to the Orioles. I don't have a better suggestion for trading to get Gausman, though. 

 

A lot the frustration I've felt this year (despite the success the team has had) is that it feels like some guys are not being used effectively / correctly (Trevor May, Exhibit A). If they acquire Gausman, will they use him well? 

 

Fair question. And, if Arcia is not traded, he should be up now. He's out of options next year, so he's either here or gone....may as well see what you have.

[Twins7]

I played with Gausman in high school. Dude has a legendary arm (at least for our level), there was never really any question he'd be a pro. Long arms, long legs; just the perfect build for a pitcher. He could easily crank it up into the upper 80's lower 90's as an 18 year old.

 

That said, his pitches were flat. Our rivals would go to the batting cages, hit against 90 mph pitching, and come in and mash Kevin. He really didn't perform very well in high school, partly because his pitches were so straight, and partly because we were in Colorado and using metal bats... Our field was 415 in center, but yeah, the thin air helps. He was supposed to go in the first round out of high school but dropped pretty far. He also had some spats with pitching coaches at our school, choosing th Jv coach over our varsity coach (the Jv coach ultimately got the varsity gig a year or two later... Partly due to Kevin I think).

 

I think he could succeed in the pros, but I've always bet against him... Didn't want the twins to pick him in '12. He's just sort of aloof, and didn't always seem to have that edge that makes great players so great. He worked hard, don't get me wrong, but it always seemed that he knew he was destined to be good regardless of his performance. That can be a good mindset to deal with adversity or an impediment to success (such as when a player grows complacent), depending on the person. All I know is that he has the stuff and build to be a great pitcher, and I can't say that I'm sure he'll be able to harness it.

 

Take this with a grain of salt; I haven't seen the kid in person since 2010, we weren't good friends on the team, nor have I watched him pitch since then.