Could Twins trade for Greinke?

[fetch]

Because they think they can draft two better players with the draft picks they would get for Grienke. No I am not serious.

They don't get draft picks anymore. Just a supplemental one.

[biggentleben]

Because they think they can draft two better players with the draft picks they would get for Grienke. No I am not serious.

The Brewers? Because the Brewers are the only team that would get draft pick compensation for Greinke. Any team that trades for him will not.

[biggentleben]

The FA class for starters is putrid this year. Joe Saunders,Edwin Jackson and Anibel Sanchez, so Hamels will make a killing. Still think Greinke will end up in mid market, like St. Louis unless TR can get him here.

Edwin Jackson has been very, very good this year, and he'll likely be rewarded with a significant deal. Sanchez is one of those guys who consistently has a higher ERA than FIP, which is interesting, but you can't go by his win/loss record to determine his success as he's been a 4-WAR pitcher for the last two seasons and is on pace for that this year. Sanchez has 1.8 fWAR this year, while the Twins leader for the season is Diamond with 1.0. He would have easily been the best Twins pitcher in 2011 and second best to Liriano in 2010.

 

The free agent market doesn't have a lot of depth in #1 type guys, but with Shawn Marcum, Brandon McCarthy, Joe Blanton, Cole Hamels, and obviously Greinke also available, it's actually a pretty deep pitching class this year.

[biggentleben]

They don't get draft picks anymore. Just a supplemental one.

You mean the Brewers or any team that acquires him? Because the Brewers are the only ones that can even get a supplemental pick.

[spideyo]

I keep hearing people talking about the Twins getting a younger Pavano-type, mid-range starter rather than investing a big chunk of cash in a #1 guy. I think that's what they tried to do with Marquis. Do we REALLY think it's a good idea to do that again?

[Brock Beauchamp]

I keep hearing people talking about the Twins getting a younger Pavano-type, mid-range starter rather than investing a big chunk of cash in a #1 guy. I think that's what they tried to do with Marquis. Do we REALLY think it's a good idea to do that again?

Except that Jason Marquis is barely younger and not any better than Pavano.

 

When I say that I think shorter, less flashy starters are the way to go, I don't mean dishing out $6m to a borderline scrub. I'm talking about committing something like 3/$30m to an Edwin Jackson type (though not Edwin Jackson). Somebody like Scott Baker or Matt Garza. You know, someone with talent (and hopefully, upside) who won't require 5 years, 100 million dollars to sign.

 

I think the Twins limit themselves too much by diving into the $20m starter range and committing to a half decade of one pitcher. To me, it makes more sense to sign #2/3 starters for 3 years, limit their exposure to longterm contracts, and hope that you can develop your own frontline starter from trades or drafts.

 

And if you can't develop a frontline starter, then you put yourself in the position to win the division with a solid rotation 2-5 and then trade for a Cliff Lee or Zack Greinke to push yourself over the top at the deadline.

[MNScottishTwinsFan]

Seriously, you think that Zach G. with his social anxiety disorder would jump at the Yankees, becasue they can protect him from .....?, how do you protect someone with social anxiety from 50,000 fans 100 feet away that don't accept mistakes/failure or anything other than immediate and constant return on investment ??

[Riverbrian]

Seriously, you think that Zach G. with his social anxiety disorder would jump at the Yankees, becasue they can protect him from .....?, how do you protect someone with social anxiety from 50,000 fans 100 feet away that don't accept mistakes/failure or anything other than immediate and constant return on investment ??

I won't pretend to be a Social Anxiety Disorder expert because I'm not but here goes anyway.

 

1. They have medication.

2. His incident was 6 years ago and it happened in the media circus and bright lights of spring training during a bullpen session with the Royals.

3. Teams travel and have to play in New York and Philadelphia.

4. He asked for a trade from the Royals because he didn't want to go through more rebuilding.

5. He told the Yankees that he would play for them in 2010

6. Greinke is better then Garza

7. The Yankees need pitching because of Injury

8. The Yankees have decent prospects to offer in return

9. If he was mentally not functional... The Odds of being successful would decrease.

10. I don't know for sure but we grow as humans or are at least supposed to and 2006 was a long time ago.

11. People tend to embellish and the chances are that Greinke could actually be pretty close to normal.

[IdahoPilgrim]

I won't pretend to be a Social Anxiety Disorder expert because I'm not but here goes anyway.

 

1. They have medication.

2. His incident was 6 years ago and it happened in the media circus and bright lights of spring training during a bullpen session with the Royals.

3. Teams travel and have to play in New York and Philadelphia.

4. He asked for a trade from the Royals because he didn't want to go through more rebuilding.

5. He told the Yankees that he would play for them in 2010

6. Greinke is better then Garza

7. The Yankees need pitching because of Injury

8. The Yankees have decent prospects to offer in return

9. If he was mentally not functional... The Odds of being successful would decrease.

10. I don't know for sure but we grow as humans or are at least supposed to and 2006 was a long time ago.

11. People tend to embellish and the chances are that Greinke could actually be pretty close to normal.

Not to mention that if his SAD is that serious, he wouldn't be able to play anywhere. You think Minnesota doesn't have media and an active fanbase that can be critical at times? Ask Joe Mauer about that. He might not want to play in New York, but he could handle it if the money was big enough.

[Boom Boom]

I'm a fan of Greinke's and I think too much is made of the social anxiety disorder.

 

For one thing, it's not uncommon. I guarantee you there are many more MLB players who suffer from social anxiety than Greinke. There was just a lot made of Greinke's disorder because he took a year off. Which, as it turns out, was probably good for him - check out his stats before 2006 and after.

 

I'd like to see the Twins pick him up, but they don't have the prospects to make it work for the Brewers, and the Twins aren't close enough to go all-in at this point.

[James]

Because they think they can draft two better players with the draft picks they would get for Grienke. No I am not serious.

I'm going to question this as well... Who do you think will get the draft picks?

 

Under the new CBA, a team cannot receive a compensation draft pick for make a qualifying offer (that is rejected) to a player that they traded for mid-season.

 

Under the old rules, the Twins could have traded for him and offered arbitration. If that was declined, and he signed elsewhere, they would have got the draft picks. Those days are now gone though.

[Oxtung]

For those of you who are excited about this idea; where does the money come from next year?

[diehardtwinsfan]

Why in the world would hte last place team of the worst division in baseball send off prospects to aquire a pitcher? If the Brewers would take a Rene Tosoni for him, I'd do it in a heartbeat, but in reality, they will ask for Sano and Arcia or something like that, and in no way should the Twins bite.

 

I agree this team would be a contender if they had decent starting, so if they want to contend, go sign him next season. He'd still be around when Sano, Arcia, Rosario, Benson, and Hicks are all joining the team, so it is hardly a bad move.

[TheLeviathan]

Why in the world would hte last place team of the worst division in baseball send off prospects to aquire a pitcher? If the Brewers would take a Rene Tosoni for him.

Woohoo for this migrating with us!

[snepp]

Woohoo for this migrating with us!

He's no Brian Duensing.

[TheLeviathan]

He's no Brian Duensing.

Well yeah...it's the anti-Duensing of Minnesota Twins trading. No one can compare to his trade value.

[diehardtwinsfan]

Woohoo for this migrating with us!

pretty sure it had to be Duensing... wasn't that guy basically worth his weight in gold?