lightfoot789 Verified Member Posted May 13, 2015 Posted May 13, 2015 I recently researched Day and Night Game Splits (full season only) for Adam Brett Walker for his career. Most would agree that his greatest flaw is contact rate and OBP. Oddly enough - Walkers stats are as followed in Day Games:63 Games249 ABs76 Hits51 Runs20 Doubles01 Triple15 HRs66 RBI16 BB75 SO (30%).347 OBP.305 BA Could it just be a matter of needing glasses for the glare of the evening lights? His career stats for Night Games are as followed:229 Games218 Hits131 Runs38 Doubles7 Triples46 HR161 RBI70 BB27% SO Rate.303 OBP.248 BA Are Day and Night Game Splits relevant when dissecting a prospects make up?
jimbo92107 Verified Member Posted May 13, 2015 Posted May 13, 2015 In answer to your question, nuclear fission is the process of splitting the nucleus of a massive atom into two smaller ones, as a byproduct releasing energy. See Einstein, Albert. Oh, you're talking about baseball? As Einstein said, that's more complicated.
TRex Provisional Member Posted May 13, 2015 Posted May 13, 2015 I don't know why you would suggest that... is it the 0.050 difference in batting average? I think people have (time and again) indicated that Walker's weakness was plate discipline (as interpreted statistically from W:SO and SO%). In the examples you give, Walker's W:SO rates are 16:75 for day games and 70:237 for night games^. It seems to me that he may need sunglasses for day games, as his W:SO rate is much worse (4.7x and 3.4x more SO for day and night, respectively). ^:thanks for conveniently leaving off the AB and SO numbers for the night games and making me do the math myself... it may be the most strenuous thing my brain does today!
markos Provisional Member Posted May 13, 2015 Posted May 13, 2015 I'm not certain if there are sample-size issues with your split, but it certainly is not unheard of for batters to have vision issues that prevent them from reaching their full potential. IIRC, Span took his game to another level after getting Lasik surgery. I would be curious to see Walker's OPS split.
lightfoot789 Verified Member Posted May 13, 2015 Author Posted May 13, 2015 20151.056 OPS Day.784 OPS Night 2014.871 OPS Day.713 OPS Night 2013.926 OPS Day.818 OPS Night
markos Provisional Member Posted May 13, 2015 Posted May 13, 2015 20151.056 OPS Day.784 OPS Night 2014.871 OPS Day.713 OPS Night 2013.926 OPS Day.818 OPS NightThanks. It certainly feels like something meaningful rather than just small-sample randomness. That is a large OPS difference.
Seth Stohs Site Manager Posted May 13, 2015 Posted May 13, 2015 I can't say that I have ever looked at Day-Night splits.
diehardtwinsfan Old-Timey Member Posted May 13, 2015 Posted May 13, 2015 I'd be curious if there was a significant difference as a group as well. That would be one of those interesting advantages that stats could bring a team... Say if it was as simple as using some sort of glasses/contacts to reduce a glare or other factor that might be contributing. Problem as I see it is that this is done on one player. If the same disparity happens from season to season league wide, then Walker is not an anomaly. If league wide, day/night splits mean nothing, then there's something to be said for a possible approach to improving Walker.
lightfoot789 Verified Member Posted May 13, 2015 Author Posted May 13, 2015 I can't say that I have ever looked at Day-Night splits. It does make sense though. Doesn't it?
gunnarthor Old-Timey Member Posted May 14, 2015 Posted May 14, 2015 I would be so thrilled if Walker's contact issues were simply a matter of glasses. It's probably just random but the one theory on it I'd have is that Walker might be the kind of guy who's always ready to play and some players don't really like playing in the am or early afternoon. I know several ML players have complained about playing day games. -shrug-
TRex Provisional Member Posted May 14, 2015 Posted May 14, 2015 I can't say that I have ever looked at Day-Night splits.I know Danny Gladden has talked about the disparity in his own Day-Night splits, but I think we know the only glasses involved were of the drinking variety! I don't think that is a contributing factor here, though!
lightfoot789 Verified Member Posted May 14, 2015 Author Posted May 14, 2015 Walker20151.056 OPS Day.784 OPS Night 2014.871 OPS Day.713 OPS Night 2013.926 OPS Day.818 OPS Night Harrison20151.156 Day.706 Night 2014.858 Day.697 Night 2013.899 Day.740 Night Buxton2015.826 Day.749 Night 2013 1.109 Day.860 Night Kepler20151.031 Day.736 Night 2014.845 Day.699 Night 2013.784 Day.724 Night Seems all of these guys have similar splits. There goes the glasses theory
diehardtwinsfan Old-Timey Member Posted May 14, 2015 Posted May 14, 2015 If you see the differences as a group, then perhaps there's some science in figuring out how to improve that OPS at night. The team that figures that out would gain a pretty sizable advantage.
Otto von Ballpark Old-Timey Member Posted May 14, 2015 Posted May 14, 2015 If you see the differences as a group, then perhaps there's some science in figuring out how to improve that OPS at night. The team that figures that out would gain a pretty sizable advantage.I think if you see the difference as a group, and it's not just the result of a random distribution, that suggests there are factors out of your control that are influencing the split. Just eyeballing a minor league schedule, it looks like day games are almost never the first game of a series. So day games would have reduced travel effects, a huge deal in the minors with bus travel. On a similar note, by the time those games roll around, there would be more familiarity with the ballpark/opposition/umpires, etc. (Day games are also always the first game of doubleheaders, which are more frequent in the minor leagues.) Umpiring might be different in day games vs night games too, especially with lower-quality umps under lower-quality lighting? Also, day games are usually preceded by night games, so perhaps backup/part-time catchers play more often those days. And backup/part-time catchers are probably worse at catching at lower levels, which can affect the pitching (umpiring too). If they are often "getaway days" maybe that has an additional effect on manager decisions (less aggressive bullpen use, etc.). Could still be random noise. Just looking at the Chattanooga May 2015 schedule, their two Sunday games (which are most often day games) were won by scores of 14-13 and 16-3. Results like that could have an outsize effect in small samples! (And indeed day games represent ~20% of Walker's career AB, less than half of even home/road splits.)
diehardtwinsfan Old-Timey Member Posted May 15, 2015 Posted May 15, 2015 You'd need to look at these numbers in MILB and MLB as a whole to see if there's a trend. That's where I would start. I agree that there's issues out of your control, but there might be issues in your control, such as lighting/glare type things that perhaps special glasses/contacts could reduce. The stats simple tell us that something is there...
Steven Buhr Verified Member Posted May 15, 2015 Posted May 15, 2015 Does anyone who ever played ball at even the HS level not agree that it's easier to hit in daylight than under the lights? In my experience, it was simply much easier to pick up the ball without having to deal with shadows and to recognize the spin/pitch out of the pitcher's hand in daylight. Maybe it's not as big a deal at the MLB level, where lighting is much better in those cathedral sized ballparks, but lack of night games is one of the things most often brought up when people compare the respective careers of the Ruthian era with the modern era hitters.
Otto von Ballpark Old-Timey Member Posted May 15, 2015 Posted May 15, 2015 You'd need to look at these numbers in MILB and MLB as a whole to see if there's a trend. That's where I would start.I agree that there's issues out of your control, but there might be issues in your control, such as lighting/glare type things that perhaps special glasses/contacts could reduce. The stats simple tell us that something is there...There is no difference evident in total MLB day/night splits: http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/split.cgi?t=b&lg=MLB&year=2014#stad So I don't think this is anything but random variation and perhaps MiLB effects.
70charger Verified Member Posted May 15, 2015 Posted May 15, 2015 I think if you see the difference as a group, and it's not just the result of a random distribution, that suggests there are factors out of your control that are influencing the split. Just eyeballing a minor league schedule, it looks like day games are almost never the first game of a series. So day games would have reduced travel effects, a huge deal in the minors with bus travel. On a similar note, by the time those games roll around, there would be more familiarity with the ballpark/opposition/umpires, etc. (Day games are also always the first game of doubleheaders, which are more frequent in the minor leagues.) Umpiring might be different in day games vs night games too, especially with lower-quality umps under lower-quality lighting? Also, day games are usually preceded by night games, so perhaps backup/part-time catchers play more often those days. And backup/part-time catchers are probably worse at catching at lower levels, which can affect the pitching (umpiring too). If they are often "getaway days" maybe that has an additional effect on manager decisions (less aggressive bullpen use, etc.). Could still be random noise. Just looking at the Chattanooga May 2015 schedule, their two Sunday games (which are most often day games) were won by scores of 14-13 and 16-3. Results like that could have an outsize effect in small samples! (And indeed day games represent ~20% of Walker's career AB, less than half of even home/road splits.) Nah. It's aliens. (Seriously, though. Good and thorough analysis.)
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