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  1. You have made some assumptions that make absolutely no sense. They would not have an entire staff built this way. That would never happen. See Nine of Twelve's comments. Why would they only pitch a guy 3 innings if he can give you 6 or 7. This is simply the Twins adjusting to the modern game on the front side of the adoption curve instead of the back like they did with analytics. Why do you assume it's only SPs having their numbers of innings pushed back. Why couldn't it be relievers be pushed to a Josh Hader role or even beyond? They would push up their innings and make themselves more valuable. It's could also help prospects transition the the big leagues. Finally, have you paid any attention to the average length of starts? Pitchers that go 6-8 innings on a regular basis are virtually extinct. We want guys who throwing upper 90s and strike out a lot of batters. Those attributes don't generally promote pitching a lot of innings.
  2. Not sure I am following the QO part of this. If he performs to a level that a QO would keep him here the trade will have been an epic failure. Am I missing something?
  3. The owners are going to negotiate what's best for the league. That's generally speaking what's best for the fans. The owners have a lot riding on the continued success of the league. The players are going to attempt to maximize their income right now. I doubt any of them have given much thought to what's best for the future of the sport. Business owners care about the health of their business and their industry for a number of obvious reasons. No doubt those reasons equate to profitability. To say they are greedy and don't care is a contradiction. There is absolutely no question in my mind that the owners will be far more focused than the union where the fans and the good of the game are concerned.
  4. This would absolutely crush the lower revenue teams. The bottom teams would be so bad that they would generate very little revenue. It would kill the game long-term. Never / ever going to happen. I would hope that even the players union would understand this would lead to considerable lost revenue across the league. Why do we care what players want. The top players make 500X (annually) the amount earned by the baseball fans funding their salaries. If they are not getting paid well enough they can find a different job like the rest of us.
  5. If the average household income would have kept pace with baseball salaries over the past 50 years the average household income would be approximately $3.2M. No group of humans on the planet has enjoyed such a sustain pay increase over so many years in the history of the planet. The total compensation paid is phenomenal. Should it be allocated differently? IDK that's a different question. Why do we care who gets what? Both groups are the extremely fortunate. What I want is to not have an interruption to baseball. I also want as much parity as possible and I want my team to have a chance. Teams like the Twins or even lower revenue teams are at an severe disadvantage now. Reduce the period of control and that problem gets worse. I do think Seth's idea of 6 years or 29 1/2 has merit but people cheering for reduced control are cheering for even greater disparity for our team and across the league.
  6. Would love to see examples of average revenue teams that have pulled off a similar plan. Would also see what that plan actually looks like in terms of payroll and what you would have to trade away to acquire this much talent in one off-season. If this is feasible, shouldn't the Reds, Cardinals, Mariners, Phillies, Mets, Angels, Tigers, and Guardians also make similar transformations. What about the Dodgers and Astros? They both have almost $90M coming off the books. The Yankees, Red Sox and Blue Jays are all coming off 90+ win seasons. Shouldn't they be adding pieces? This does not leave too many teams to trade with and the teams that are at the very bottom are not exactly load with talent.
  7. I have compiled the WAR for all of the free agents pitchers who got 4 years or more and posted those results here. The very top guys (cole/scherzer types) have done pretty well. The rest have not been good in aggregate. I don't think that means we should not sign any of them. However, the conversation here generally makes it sound like they are the surefire way to success which they are not. I have been a proponent of a non-traditional pitching staff for the last few years. Not because I find it more entertaining, I don't think I will but it's an opportunity to find a competitive edge. I would be just fine with the Twins developing a model that gives us an edge. Others will follow just as they followed the Rays opener but I would welcome an advantage for a period of time.
  8. There is a tendency to be a little too literal or extreme here. We don't need to exactly mirror them in order to implement SOME of their practices and philosophies. We have enough incremental revenue that we certainly could afford to extend players or sign free agents they would not. As a matter of fact, executing as well as they do would result in having productive low cost players which in turn would provide us payroll flexibility. We also don't have to have a whole staff of 3 inning guys. That would never happen. Why couldn't the formula not be 3 SPs who are expected to pitch 5+ and 6 guys in this other role. They might go 4 innings and they might go 2 innings but the goal is to get 9 innings or 8 in the case of a road loss. That leaves 4 traditional BP arms who could also go more than 1 inning given the BP gets the day off anytime those six guys cover 9 innings. There also does not need to be a rule that a pitcher in this new role could not go 5 or even six innings when they are on a roll. It's a great idea for this year to given we have a lot of prospects knocking at the door. I don't know if it's a great long-term strategy because we are far from a well thought through plan. I do know that it's not a good practice to dismiss strategies without understanding the options and the plan completely and then a reasonable validation effort.
  9. We got SWR and Martin for a year and 2 months of Berrios who is not as good as Castillo so I would assume it will take a package offering more than SWR and Martin. I think they would ask for us to add someone along the lines of Miranda or Winder.
  10. There is just not a need (yet) to cut too deep. I agree Astudillo, Cave, and Barnes can go. I would probably hold onto Strotman because of his upside. The other two I think we have seen more than enough from are Smeltzer and Thorpe. Remove those 5 and you have 7 slots open, Add the 5 prospects you have listed and we are at 38.
  11. You go to believe they are going to do something to try to get back to the WS. The off-season is always interesting but this off-spring has a lot of high profile guys that are either old or have been hurt. Plus some of the high budget teams have a ton of money coming off the books. Plus, the Yankees reset their cap. Oh yah, then there is the CBA.
  12. I noticed that too. Peraza is already at AAA but Volpe looks good. They are definitely trade bait of they sign Seager. They have not been a big factor lately. Will they be impatient and look to build through free agency or are they learning that approach is not all that effective even with their budget. In other words, do you think they sign one of the big FA SSs?
  13. I agree in concept. In reality, the Astros have 88M coming off their payroll. I guess it's possible they hand the job to Pedro Leon but you would not think a WS team would do that after letting Springer go. The Dodgers have about the same coming off and the Yankees need a SS. Landing one of those top SS is not going to be extremely difficult if these top markets decide they want to sign them. What about trading Arraez for a SS and signing Escobar to replace Arreaz or Bean's idea of signing Escobar for SS until Lewis or Palacios is ready?
  14. For me it all comes down to will Lewis stick at SS. I don't think even the Twins inner circle has a real great read on this because he has not played in a year and there are questions on both sides of the ball. Here is another thought ... If they try Escobar and he does not stick, is there any chance Palacios is ready/capable for an audition at the ML level? Could he be plan B? What if the sign Escobar and trade Arraez for a near ready SS or a SS being blocked? Interesting possibilities with your idea.
  15. I have no idea if he can still play short but this is a very creative and interesting idea.
  16. The Twins are not trading a prospect of any consequence for a player with 1 year of control. That would be extremely short sighted and this FO has not demonstrated any short-sighted tendencies.
  17. You make a good point. I am in the small minority that would approach 2022 as a retool year. It's just not realistic to believe they can put together a contender over the winter unless they really gut the farm system and even then it would be questionable. I am of the belief they will be considerably better positioned in 2023 with such an approach. That's an unpopular view and who knows how it plays out. I would be real happy if the Pohlads threw money at the problem but that's not realistic.
  18. I don't see any obsession. There are not any 29 year old healthy stud SPs out there. Robbie Ray has not exactly been a steady performer but I guess he might qualify. Stroman is steady but not spectacular. I guess Gausman would be the other guy we would want long term. One of those three would be nice. Now we just have to beat out Houston with $88M coming off the books, the Dodgers with about the same coming off not counting their deadline acquisitions, the Mets with $75M coming off, and the Mariners and Indians who have extremely low payrolls, and of course the Yankees.
  19. I am with you in terms of prioritizing a SS but reality set in when I started looking who had money to spend and how much. The national radio shows on satellite radio are buzzing about Seager going to the Yankees so I think you nailed that one. There are some SS prospects that are blocked. Maybe we can trade for one.
  20. Yep and just think about the competition for him. The Astros and Dodgers each have almost $90M expiring and that does not count the players the Dodgers got after the deadline. The Mets have $75M expiring. The Mariners are siting at something like $60M in salary including their arbitration players and they looked like a team about to enter a window of contention. Plus, their FO has already said they are looking to spend. Then, we have the Yankees who have not been nearly as relevant in the post season the last decade. They could go nuts too. Cleveland could spend $75M too if they were so inclined.
  21. He will be 38. The odds just are not good that he is the next Nelson Cruz. Odds are he will be replacement level by then. I would bet Miranda will be a considerably more valuable player in 2024 and the $7M can always be used for a BP arm.
  22. Here is the part I don't understand ... what math? How much math or financial acumen does it take to understand that a team with a hundred or two hundred million of incremental revenue is probably going to outbid the other team. More importantly, isn't it really obvious that a team that can only spend half as much has to get double the production per dollar spent. We should want our team to spend wisely for the very simple reason that it's imperative to the success of below average revenue. The owners are wildly rich therefore they should break even or take a loss makes me nuts. This is where just a little financial acumen is required. If all of the owners took that tact, it would change absolutely nothing in terms of the revenue disparity. It would actually increase the gap between big and small markets because large markets make a larger profit. Therefore, small markets would be at an even bigger disadvantage in signing premier FAs. We would need for the Pohlad's and the Pohlad's only to break-even or take a loss and we would still be at a significant disadvantage financially when compared to top markets .
  23. Sorry, I thought there was a message here. There is lots of financial info available. The point is that most people just ignore it or more to the point act as if the revenue disparity is not a big obstacle . I don't know how much more we need to know to determine the amount of incremental revenue one team has over another which is a where this started. We know exactly how much teams spend on players and there are even sources that give percentage of payroll data. The percentage of payroll is not a foreign concept by any means. I seems some fans just don't subscribe to the theory it matters.
  24. This provides revenue and some ratios. What are you attempting to prove with this graph?
  25. I am not sure what this graph represents but I doubt it's revenue given the Yankees are near the bottom.
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