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Everything posted by Rod Carews Birthday
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Try as you might, it’s pretty much impossible to grade trades like this in the moment. Right now people are either using it to reinforce their preconceived narrative (“These players suck, sell them all” or “These trades are terrible, Falvey sucks”) or focusing on the emotion of it all. I too think some trades were better (and worse) than others, but there’s really no way of knowing how they will turn out except for some “gut feeling” one way or the other. If the Twins got nobody that could help them, then yes, that would be a disaster. However, if somebody turns into a big star, people will praise the deals for a long time. Sometimes you get lucky (Pierszinski). Sometimes you don’t (Santana). Grading it in the moment is pretty tough. For me, I was opposed to the general fire sale of the bullpen and remain adamantly opposed to trading Ryan, but it’s also something I can’t control. I was against trading Rod Carew also, but Calvin Griffith didn’t call me for my opinion. I remain a fan because I root for the Twins, not a single player, regardless of his hometown. I just hope they don’t screw it up.
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5 Reasons to Keep Watching the Twins
Rod Carews Birthday replied to Alex Boxwell's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
I don't really need specific reasons. I'm a life long Twins fan and baseball fan. For me there will always be reasons to watch the games. My ongoing support for the team, however, does not prevent me from being extremely disgusted and frustrated by what has (not) been accomplished in the past few days. I think they're idiots, but unfortunately for now, they're my idiots. We're starting over. Hopefully something good will come along.- 48 replies
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I think that the grumbling about failing to build anything more than a fringe playoff team is probably amplified by the board more than it is in reality among the larger group of Twins fans. Those are some of the loudest people. I recall living through the 70's and the early 80's when we went into every season without any hope of competing. In 1977 it took great years by Carew, Bostock, Hisle, and Goltz to even get us to about 84 wins -- which was a big deal at the time (for a 4th place team). It was not a particularly great time to be a Twins fan. Fan morale was definitely low then as well. Having a team that is at least competitive gives fans hope that there might be something actually there. Nobody I know is going to say after next year's 90 loss team, "Yeah, but isn't this great, we sure are set up for 2030!".
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I think that I'm with you. Why not experiment with him? You know he has upside and if he can cure his "yips" he could be an excellent reliever. It's not like he's displacing someone with a future right now in the bullpen. With Alcala there is at least a chance. . .
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And hence, why I really hate the way this teardown was undertaken. I'm afraid that all we might have done is blow it up so that we can be terrible for a couple of years with the hope (there's that word again) that in 2027 or 2028 we might be as good as we were this year. In the meantime, we've squandered the team control of Ryan, Ober, Pablo, and Buxton. Ouch. That's not fun.
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Unenviable is an understatement. . . I have no problem giving Roden some plate appearances, but he doesn't really excite me that much as a prospect either. As for Larnach, he is what he is . . . OK. Nothing special but a passable corner OF/DH type.
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And I forgot to mention that YES, you are correct. Lee hasn't really shown any more than Julien, except that he is a better defender. Yet, many are assuming that Julien is a bust.
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I haven't given up, but I'm definitely not writing him in the lineup in permanent marker. He's got to show something more, and he needs to do it soon.
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That's also a lot of "hope". They're just prospects. The history of the Twins (and every team) is littered with the names of can't miss prospects who never really got there -- many after tearing up AA and AAA. Remember "future hall of famer" Miguel Sano? He was OK for a couple of years, but overall very frustrating and definitely didn't live up to the hype. Remember how amazing Brooks Lee was going to be? He may turn out to be OK, but so far his performance is nothing to write home about. I would consider it a miracle if more than one of those four guys you named turns into an all-star level performer. The other guys you named, Martin and Roden, MIGHT be MLB bats, but I'm not sure that they belong in a different category than Larnach, Miranda, or Julien. For that matter, the deck is now cleared for a Royce Lewis take off as well. Again, I think it's more hope than reality. Topa and Sands are OK relievers. They're probably not the foundation of the bullpen of a playoff caliber team. Adding two guys would help a lot -- if those are front line type relievers and not guys like Topa and Funderburk. Again, there is such a "trust us, we're geniuses" kind of air to this tear down, even though by their own admission, they haven't built anything in the past five years. I don't think that this series of trades makes us better this year or next year -- nor does it do that much for us in years two through five. If they decide to trade Ryan, I think they've totally lost their minds and the signal for the fans is that we aren't even going to try to win in 2026 and 2027.
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I hope you are very correct and I will be thrilled if you are. It really doesn't help me to know that BB Trade Values has them scored like that. Their values are all over the map and change significantly, and seemingly somewhat randomly, on a moment's notice. I've been around long enough to see lots of deals like these not work out at all, and when you've made this many of them, it looks pretty scary in the end. The other piece of this that makes me cringe is that we completely (!!!!) blew up a very good bullpen in order to acquire mostly pitching, while not really addressing the biggest weakness on the team -- hitting (fielding isn't awesome either, but one thing at a time). Yes, we did acquire a (hopefully) catcher of the future, but the reality is that most of the current players won't be on the team by the time he debuts with the Twins.
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The problem with these prospects is just that. . .. they're prospects. IF everything breaks perfectly, some of them could be quite good. However, as we (should) have learned with our own prospects, that doesn't always translate to the majors. I understand that the players that are farther away have greater upside than the ones in AAA or above, but they also have exponentially greater risk. Personally, my problem with the trade deadline deals isn't a specific trade (outside of Varland which is mind-boggling). It's the sheer number of trades that were made and on the surface I don't see any of them that are obvious wins for the Twins, while seeing at least a couple that seem like obvious losses. I get that not every trade looks good right away, but there is a massive difference between trading some impending free agents (maybe one more) and backing up the truck. I think management has a misplaced sense of confidence in their own abilities. If they were this good at building a team in one day on the fly, why wasn't the team that they built over a period of years any better than this? I also know that the root cause of this is making big signings (like Correa) and then cutting the payroll, which effectively hamstrings the team from acquiring talent that is needed to keep building. It's time for the ownership change to happen so that we can really move on and build something new again.
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I’ve always felt that having the satire disclaimer at the top of an article was a very stupid (but probably legally necessary) thing. However, given the events of the past week, I took my only solace from your disclaimer to know that these things were not (currently) true. Unfortunately, as a potential brainstorming session for the next period of activity by Twins ownership and management, this article is probably dangerous and should be suppressed.
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I don't think that's a long term plan. I think that he went to St. Paul to get him on a schedule to start for the big club and to get him acclimated. We'll see if he starts more than a game or two there. He's young. A little orientation is a good thing. I would rather he has his feet under him and his brain calmed down before he debuts for the Twins.
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A reasonable prospect plus a lottery ticket for a guy on an expiring contract. If the Twins like the prospect, and I'm guessing that's why they made the trade, then I think it is just fine. This is a "squeeze some value out of a guy who won't be back" trade. I hope people aren't expecting to be blown away by the return for the pending free-agents. They just don't have that much value for 50 games remaining in this season. A decent prospect is the best you can hope for.
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Houston May Want to Trade For Correa - Should We Do It?
Rod Carews Birthday commented on LA Vikes Fan's blog entry in LA Vikes Fan
The primary reason to trade Correa is financial flexibility for the future. In his current iteration, neither his offense (especially) nor his defense are really on the mark. At the salary that he is making, he has no surplus value at all. The prospect(s) that we get back are just to save face and say it wasn’t only a salary dump move, so I’m not sure it matters much. -
Yes it does. But I like that they’re aiming in the right direction — upward!
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My issue for the author of the original article (and a few others) is that the outrage level is a little out of proportion for the situation. The Twins traded a couple of parts with limited to no value for them and got a decent looking prospect (one they may have even tried to sign earlier). It is also true that we don’t really know how this negotiation went. ###### What if the conversation went like this? Tigers: Hey, we just lost a pitcher. We kind of like Paddack. Here’s a prospect that we will trade you for him. Twins: (Wow! Someone offered us a prospect that we kind of like for Paddock? I wonder how far we can push them.). We picked up the phone. We’re interested, but we think the return is too light for Paddack. Give us a higher ranked prospect (or another throw in) and it’s a deal. Tigers: Sorry. You’re in our division. We don’t really want to ship you a better prospect and then have him come back to haunt us in the division. Twins: Hmmm. . . What about if you take Dobnak as well? It gets him off our books and you get the pitcher you want. Tigers: Deal. Twins: Deal. ##### By definition, getting more of one thing means getting less of another. However, sometimes that is a distinction without a real difference.
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Sorry. I posted something in the wrong place here.
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