TheLeviathan

So you're just going to completely ignore the comparisons to the teams in our own division? You asserted that the argument needs context, I gave you context, and you just whistle right by? The three teams in our division are hitting MUCH higher on both clear, impact hits and regular contributors. (And depth!) You are both actively inflating the impact of the guys we actually have and ignoring the context and missed opportunities. I don't care what draft experts said about Cine - the FO's job is to hit on that pick. Instead, we traded the 12th overall pick down to the 32nd, got a bunch of none-premium picks for it, passed on dudes that are all-world at their position right now that also happen to be huge needs for the Vikings (Lindebaum, Hamilton, among others), AND blew the pick. Oh right....AND blew the picks they traded down to get! Is Kwesi in the room with you while you're posting? Tab twice if you need help!

Ah hell, I think this argument needs to be dunked once and for all, here's the vaunted Bears since 2022: 2022: No first round pick and still came away with Brisker, Kyler Gordon, Dominique Robinson, Braxton Jones, and Elijah Hicks. (Two starting DBs, a starting DE, and a starting OL to go with a backup DB) 2023: OT Darnell Wright, DL Dexter, CB Stevenson, LB Noah Sewell, and RB Roschon Johnson 2024: Caleb Williams, Rome Odunze, backup OL, punter 2025: Loveland, Burden, 5 backups including Monangi. 34 picks. 62% still on the roster. 11 starters. Several key backups. The ****ing Bears!!!!

He picked twelfth in 2022!!!! And 11th two years later. In the same time span as Kwesi the Packers have had 43 picks. 25 of them are on the roster. 58% vs 43%. Of those 25 there are 6 regularly played WRS. 3 starting offensive linemen. 2 regular tight ends, one of which is a top three TE in the league at this point. A good backup running back. 2 starting defensive linemen and one key rotational DL. 2 starting linebackers. 2 starting defensive backs. The Packers picked 22, 23, 25, and 13 in those years vs. us at 12, 23, 11, and 24. How many more teams before I crack this argument and you try and see it for what it is? His drafting has sucked. The team has done well. I'm not calling for him to be fired. But his drafting has sucked. This is just a fact. A part of objective reality. What's the point of arguing something so wildly, obviously false?

Our schedule isn't getting much easier. This is the reality of winning the division last year. But the biggest thing is not the losses but the way they are losing. Baltimore and Philly were winnable games. Pitt too. Yes, this team can beat anyone....but they can also look like absolute dog crap for huge stretches of games. It's a problem. I don't know if it's a culture issue among players but I do put two big declarations down: 1) This team plays cute. It plays soft. It isn't trying to snatch your soul or pummel you into submission. It's trying to cute it's way to victory every week. I'm all for taking big shots and being creative....but at the end of the day football is won in the trenches. We are, by way of our football/play-calling/attitude culture, conceding the trenches. That's a problem. 2) I just don't know why it's so hard for you to admit that the drafts have been a disaster. Two entire draft classes are completely non-impactful for this roster. Hockenson wasn't a bad idea...but you don't pay 28M, a 2nd, a 3rd, and a 4th for a blocking TE. One with knee problems 7and who appears to have lost all his juice. That move failed. Ingram aint here. Blackmon ain't here. They completely wasted basically all of 2022 and 2023. We were number 12 in the 2022 draft and we walked away with NOTHING. We passed on Kyle Hamilton. Trent McDuffie. Tyler Lindbaum. George Karlaftis. I could go on. It was an absolute disaster. 2023 was barely better. By my count Kwesi has been on the clock 28 times. In those 28 times he has walked away with only 12 players who are still on this roster. Less than half! Of those twelve we have one special teamer (Ward), two backup offensive linemen they are moving Brandel around to avoid having to play, a WR they traded picks to supplant with a washed Adam Thielen, and a backup TE. Which means in 28 picks Kwesi has given us guys who actually see playing time: Turner (who isn't good at this point), McCarthy (who basically hasn't played), Jackson at LG, Reichard, LDR, Addison, and Nailor. That's it. I don't know how else to convince you that the results suck.

This is what a pitching pipeline is supposed to allow: Keep calling up and filling your rotation with young arms while you allocate resources to offense. I think this is totally realistic other than the Pohlads will pocket about 50M in this scenario and those positions will be filled by scrubs.

He chose to take the job (and anyone asserting he could just pass on it is being purposely obtuse. Of course he's going to take what might be a once in a lifetime opportunity), but the mandate wasn't his. His execution of it, however, is on him. For Free Agency I give him a solid B while he's probably in F territory for drafting.

That isn't an excuse for poor drafting, but I just wanted to be clear that I'm not sure the strategy rests at his feet. Another way to say that, I'm not sure what we'd see Kwesi do if the ownership mandate wasn't a competitive rebuild. He might have blown things up from the get-go. I don't know because I'm pretty confident he didn't call the shot on team strategy. He called the shot on player acquisitions within that strategy and so far it's been bad (drafting) and solid (free agency).

I don't think Kwesi had a choice on "competitive rebuild".

Hmm, that's interesting. I'm one of those rare folks that thinks The Office sucks in part because Michael is such a wildly unlikable character. (Who we are supposed to like I guess?) So if that's the case I'll go in with an open mind and see how I feel, :)

I need to get on this show for Gary Oldman if nothing else.

This just makes me want to fire up MVP 2005 again..... But if those job titles are his - baserunning and OF defense - that is a critical need for this roster. Hope he helps.

Very few QBs can thrive in a gameplan with 47 throws and 13 runs. I'm fine pushing him to make bigtime throws, but it should be within the context of a not-insane ratio. But I'm with you on development > wins

No. I wouldn't. I think they pulled a Cousins. I'm all done with that strategy. I'd rather fail cheaply with McCarthy and try again in a few years if it comes to that.

Have you seen how he single-handedly lost the Cleveland and Carolina games with passes that can only be described as "mind numbingly stupid"?

Here's a guy I'm very early on wanting. Culture changer.

At least we can say with some conclusivity that Jordan Love ****ing blows and the Packers gave him the bag.

I think it comes down to KOC and the on-field culture of the team. KOC has said (in preseasons) that he wants the team to be tougher/edgier. He stated the changes to the interior of the offensive line was a commitment to that. What does he do up 10-9 with a 3rd and 1 at the 50? You guessed it - YOLO. A nearly 4:1 pass to run ratio. Why did we sign Fries and Kelly, trade for Mason, and draft Jackson if we are allergic to running? I heard Mackey say it and I'm 100% with him - this team is SAWFT. The worst kind of offensive culture you can possibly have. It's why I was such a big advocate of Skattebo. This team needs to add someone on the playmaking side (preferrably in the backfield) that just wants to purposely run through walls to pick up 2 yards. Someone who can force KOC to change his own mentality. I'm starting to think Mason's deficiencies in the passing game (and fumbling) have caused KOC to lose confidence in him and, by extension, the run game. A team that isn't soft wins that game Sunday.

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I hope we end up hearing he was sick. My issues with McCarthy fall into two camps: he doesn't seem at all content with making the routine play and he's got all gas no brakes on his arm. One pick came when he lollipopped a throw deep (the only time the setting on his arm appears to adjust from "RAWR ROCKET LAUNCHER") when he had a clear path to a ten yard run and a first down. He rarely checked down on 2nd down and created easier third downs. What's wrong with a ten play drive? (Here is where I think we may point the finger at the actual villain - KOC) But the second thing....good lord, how does a guy 6'3 get so many balls deflected at the LOS? Why are 15 yard throws attempted like he's trying to throw through a wall to get it there? The talk about him lacking touch and layers on his throws appears to be more than just a problem, it's a major issue. I'm not convinced if we call slant plays that he won't try to behead receivers with throws. This team was winning at the half. They were winnig pretty much the entire first half. The team should've been making good, solid plays and trying to extend their lead and instead it felt like we were trying to win a game we were down by 4 with 30 seconds left for 3/4 of a game.

No, he wasn't yelling....but teh body language was bad. The post-play reactions were pretty irritated from what I saw. I didn't see "give up"...but it sure looked like less than 100%.

I think some of it was McCarthy. The timing and delivery of the ball to him was offtrack so many times. It's hard to get a rhythm when your QB feels like he has his arm set to "scattergun".

Agreed. Honestly, it felt like that was the first "diva" game from JJ.

McCarthy was bad today. Just plain bad. And it looks like JJ is super frustrated by it.

Our ST coach needs to get canned.