TheLeviathan
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No doubt the bullpen is better. They could've done what I liked about their actual moves and cleared roster space at the same time from the sounds of it. The more I look things over there was absolutely no reason they couldn't have moved Jeffers and an OF, acquired the bullpen guys, and come away with another significant talent and be better prepared for both now and the future. I don't normally think teams could thread that needle, but it sure feels like it was out there for the Twins.
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There was some, yeah, but if we walked away from this "buy" with Hoffman, Minter, and Kramer......does anyone feel like we really "opened up the wallet" or did anything terribly meaningful? This deadline feels like a half measure. Admittedly I didn't want this course of action to begin with, and I don't have a problem with any of the trades necessarily (Kramer maybe....wtf?), but this didn't feel aggressive or significantly different to me. It's a team with too many DHs, too many catchers, too many corner outfielders, and not enough in the pitching staff for me to feel terribly excited. Again, fully admit it's probably my own bias but I'm underwhelmed at the end of the day. The lost opportunity costs weren't worth this.
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I'm a little surprised at the price given that he's making 12.5M next year. It's a fine move, just sucks because you could've just paid people cash last offseason and avoided giving up cash and prospects now.
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We mostly agree. The Twins self-inflicted this problem. They should be able to do both things at the same time. We need more signs of good faith. But from where I sit we have two points of difference: 1) I think the AITA thing is wrong. Fans will absolutely blame the Pohlads for being too cheap to match what he gets on the market. I don't think the ire is directed at Jeffers in that situation. The Pohlads are the bad guys in any scenario excepting resigning...hence my question 2) I just don't think the decision on Jeffers is a needle mover. I think winning is far more important. If the market showed poor returns for catchers I'd probably rescind my complaint, but given what Boston just gave to Baltimore I feel much more strongly that assets like that to build a winner matter more than 2 months of Jeffers. Even from an optics point of view.
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The defensive metrics on him are all over the place. I tend to think he's a good MLB SS. He's not a game changer though so I hope that isn't the price tag we're circling.
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I think the Twins have made up their mind. It's not what I'd do, but water under the bridge at this point. I just hope we don't see a Tolle and Arias for Ryan post in a year that makes us all cringe while we watch Jeffers hit for the Yanks anyway.
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We aren't going to get a perfect comp. What it says to me is that Jeffers would not have meaningless value. The Red Sox just paid through the nose for Rutschman.
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Geez, that's even better than I thought. 1 year less of control will knock that down, but we're still talking a top 5-10 prospect probably.
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I don't think you meant to imply that trading or not trading Jeffers was worth that kind of number of fans (10k), but how much of a needle mover is that? Is letting him walk in the offseason any different? I guess I'm genuinely confused that people think relatively middling moves are going to be soul crushing for fans. The ones that are showing up right now are the diehards, they aren't going to lose them. I don't see Ryan Jeffers as the lynchpin to getting back to 30k in the stadium. To put a spin on an old classic: if a bad PR move hits the transaction lines but no one cares enough to read it....did it really make an impact?
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Contract aside....is he still a SS? Much less a good one?
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If it helps with the value that Jeffers may currently have, regardless of your thoughts on whether he "should" be dealt, the Red Sox gave up their #2 prospect (per MLB.com) for Adley Rutschman.
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Red Sox gave up their #2 prospect (per MLB.com) for Adley Rutschman. In case we're wondering the ballpark that Jeffers might have been in.
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I agree, meant more in terms of their "contending" status being an iffy conclusion.
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I think Reyes is a better value than either of the Cubs guys IMO.
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I mean....is it really that different than what we're doing in terms of being "in it"?
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Not only that...we seemingly gave up a better prospect for a far worse player. WTF?
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I think the first half is wrong - they will make moves. I think the second half is probably right about Jeffers and Larnach.
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Part of what has made those teams successful is trust in their own process to keep producing talent. Dealing those talents off for a small percentage increase of playoff success is bad math. The Dodgers can bad math their way through every decision the same way Elon Musk can compared to your local mom and pop shop. The risk/reward analysis is broken. It sucks. The system should be rewarding them for their plucky ability to develop talent....but it doesn't.
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An extra 200 million a year is a heavy factor in any risk calculation don't you think?
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I honestly don't know how anyone posts that with a straight face. Googling the income disparity for TV revenue literally takes 12 seconds.
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I like him, I think the proposed deal is reasonable for him, but I imagine the Reds wait to move him. He's not exactly pitching well and this seems like a low point in value. I'd definitely call them up though and see if that offer works.
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MLB so badly has to fix their systems.
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The Minnesota Twins could aquire Vladdy Guerrero Jr. today and it won't prove this. Nor do I even think a move that monumental increases attendance much. I think people holding on to the hope that "buying" is going to change that are forgetting how deep the scars run. These moves won't hurt, it's not a reason to not do them....but there is going to have to be a sustained and lengthy investment, coupled with a more clear-cut winning model built, before those scars start to heal.
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Mike, I have great news for you and all of Twinsdaily! The Twins are "buyers" today!!!! Tom Pohlad bought a fresh tank of gas this morning! And Wanda, from accounting of course, got herself a delicious Caribou Coffee. It was just like making one from home...only better! We've done it folks. We're "buyers"! *Hold for legalise* Ignore that any basic, kindergarten level of applied thinking could poke holes in my argument. Rest assured if anyone does I'm going to act like a giant jacka$$ with no reprecussions from any of my buddies on the mod team. *End Legalise* We're "buyers"!!!!!
