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So... Why Trade Taylor Rogers?
tony&rodney replied to Cody Pirkl's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Falvey has stated that he has attempted to acquire Paddack since 2017. We should accept that rationale. The many moves this last month were attempting to improve the team. We will know the answer by October. These moves were not related to finances or asset management, just according to the ideas put together to make the team better. We can agree or disagree with the trades. San Diego clearly thought their side of the trade benefitted their team as did the Yankees and Rangers in the other major trades. When individuals state that the Twins cannot win this year, they forget the Atlanta Braves and San Francisco Giants from last season. They also forget the 1987 and 1991 Twins among a host of many other teams. The Twins are not favored as they were last season but they could catch a wave and ride players like Buxton, Correa, and Polanco to the playoffs. I am a fan of Trevor Rogers but a long time Twins fan and am very hopeful that the pitching of Chris Paddack and others makes Falvey look good in 2022.- 89 replies
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So... Why Trade Taylor Rogers?
tony&rodney replied to Cody Pirkl's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
The Padres do this trade because they get a closer for MLB minimum, their chances to win games this year improve, and they are now below the CBT limit plus they didn't see any use for either Pagan or Paddack on their team for 2022. The Twins do this trade because, despite it costing them more money (around $4. million), they believe that Paddack will be a decent pitcher next year. Simply put, Falvey put a premium on acquiring Chris Paddack; it was his sole focus in dealing with San Diego. The Twins are nowhere near a limit where their profit margins for 2022 are endangered, unless the entire team tanks and attendance falls to near one million fans. We can agree or disagree with the current regime and how they assess the potential utility of individual talents/players. The judgment is always rendered by the won/loss column. The comment section is not for objective thoughts and my personal take is that the Twins will not be better in 2022 due to this trade. I also don't believe this trade saves any money for 2023. Nevertheless, I will agree that Rogers could get injured and miss most of the year while the Twins see Pagan and Paddack resurrect their flagging careers. As a Twins fan, I hope Rogers is excellent all year and has a long productive career while Paddack pitches spectacularly for the Twins in leading them through post seasons. 2 down, 160 to go.- 89 replies
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You are correct in my opinion. It is also noteworthy that the Twins are not in on any competitive salaries for pitchers (@$10.0+ range), instead choosing lower prices with incentives. Athletes are incredible positive people because their focus must be very narrow to eliminate distractions that contribute to doubt. Thus, many will choose incentivized contracts when the large guaranteed contracts are not possible. Falvey is taking advantage of that to roll the dice. Buxton and Archer are two current examples. I wonder how this is perceived across the league by players. It looks like both opportunity and a place to avoid if possible at the same time. The next year seems like it will be pivotal.
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Perhaps this is the part that is actually not explained by most viewpoints on this trade. The Twins will pay the salaries of Emilio Pagan ($2.3) and Chris Paddack ($2.25) plus MN sent San Diego $6.6 to pay all of Roger's salary minus the MLB minimum. So $11.15 - $7.3 (if MN kept Rogers) = $3.85 million. That is the increase in the roster expenditure, according to Baseball Prospectus. San Diego saved money and moved below the CBT (tax). We paid the Padres to take Rogers off our hands because the Twins front office believes that the two pitchers MN gained could eventually become useful, hopefully next year. Pagan has had some success in the past and once upon a time Paddack was a top 100 prospect. Both could still deliver on their past promise, which will be known in the future.
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Not in disagreement but just curious as to what made you think this was possible?
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So... Why Trade Taylor Rogers?
tony&rodney replied to Cody Pirkl's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
I absolutely understood that you are focused solely on next year and beyond but you did not notice that my suggestion is that the money saved is irrelevant which you may disagree with. My question was simple - Miranda, Arraez, Urshela, or JD for this year without taking money into your decision? I also suggested that a good argument could be made for any of these guys as your pick. The Twins get to decide where the money goes, we don't. Thus, I don't consider the money as relevant. You are free to disagree. The money isn't up for discussion, just who you prefer at third base. I'm ok with any choice but interested in the choice.- 89 replies
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So... Why Trade Taylor Rogers?
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It is at the very least a little bit ironic that this claim was made last year by many folks on this same site. Last year the Twins sat with Berrios, Maeda, Pineda, Happ, Dobnak, Shoemaker, Smeltzer, Thorpe, etc. I think we can all agree that pitching is a tough job and success is difficult to predict. Yesterday, Berrios and Montas got hammered and Manaea threw seven no hit innings with Rogers picking up a save.- 89 replies
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So... Why Trade Taylor Rogers?
tony&rodney replied to Cody Pirkl's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Jose Miranda? I'm really bullish on his bat and am a believer in his potential to be the full time third baseman next year and I hope he takes the position by June 1 this year. My thinking is that a roster to win the AL Central this year could have been accomplished for $110 million and a good team could also be quite strong for around $80 million. The Twins could easily go to $150 million this year and make a strong profit. The decision rests on the specific goals for a team. The savings accomplished by the jettison of JD was about $6-7 million this year and less for next year unless the Twins release/trade both Sanchez and Urshela, which seems expected. While I agree with your optimism concerning Miranda, the Twins have not been players for large contracts thus the money saved seems pretty irrelevant. The Twins could have easily rostered both JD and Correa. The oddity, for me, is that a number of media people as well as Twins Daily posters have referenced or suggested that Donaldson was traded because of internal issues with his personality. I have no knowledge about that. The Twins have gone well past the roster budget suggested as a ceiling by most folks on Twins Daily and the club is being rebuilt continually in the mold desired by the current front office. The final judgment on whether this is effective is made customers (attendance and viewership numbers) and the won-loss record. I don't believe we need to worry about the money the Twins make or spend. I'm fine with a big profit for JP and I'm fine with JD/CC making big money too. Money aside, who would you choose to play this season at third base - JD or Arraez or Urshela or Miranda? An argument can certainly be made for Jose Miranda because injuries happen and he seems the most likely to play the full slate of games.- 89 replies
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Prospect Retrospective: Jhoan Duran
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He sure looked good in Spring Training and again today. Hopefully Duran can keep his command and control because he has awesome stuff. -
Maybe in the 21st century. Oliva/Killebrew - it doesn't get any better.
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So... Why Trade Taylor Rogers?
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Well, we hope so ... but what if the returns look so enticing?- 89 replies
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So... Why Trade Taylor Rogers?
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The trade, $6.6 million, Rogers, and Rooker for Paddack and Pagan is purely for next year. The mantra that the Twins aren't going to be good this year started real early and the be realistic idea to look to next year and the two years beyond next are the base of many opinions. I cannot see this line of thinking, but others do. So it goes. How early do the ideas for summer trades come now? Sanchez, Sano, Polanco, Correa, Kepler, Urshela, Gray, Archer, Bundy, Duffey, and Thielbar sound like they could bring back some decent prospects for next year. We might have a top ten farm system after moving those guys. The one positive possibility is that the addition of these two pitchers allows the Twins to trade a handful of guys for Bryan Reynolds due to the growing glut in their system.- 89 replies
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Assessing the Twins Trade for Chris Paddack
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The constant idea of building for next year doesn't interest me in this year unless the options were worse. I agree with the post above. I don't see this helping the team this year. An ironic factor is that the Twins and their fans constantly adhere to a small to mid market apology. Twins Daily set the Twins budget at what most saw as near the upper limit - $130 million. The budget could have been anywhere from $90-150 million easily, based on the team's goals. Now, we see the Twins add two players for around $2.5 million each and pay Rogers' salary and they are over $130 million. San Diego picks up a closer for the league minimum and subtracts a player they may have cut and a guy who may have been reassigned to AAA. All this and the Twins may like this trade for next year.- 86 replies
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Assessing the Twins Trade for Chris Paddack
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Wait. Ober moves to the pen? He was clearly their best starting pitcher to finish the year. He also looked as good as anyone else in Spring Training.- 86 replies
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The Twins picked up a pitcher who still has very solid potential. There must be another move coming because the 40 person roster will be bloated by next winter. A rationale to make this trade is .... ..... trade Martin, Balazovic, Sands, Strotman, and Larnach to Pittsburgh for Bryan Reynolds.
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Perhaps you are correct, but the Twins wouldn't sign any free agents because it was time to allow their prospects to get some innings. This rationale has been touted, nearly across the TD board, all winter long and now there is a movement away from Winder, Balazovic, etc. Which is it? Also, where does he fit? I guess #6.
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5 Bold Twins Predictions for 2022
tony&rodney replied to Cody Christie's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Correa stays if he is injured too often this year. If he is his usual self, Correa goes back to free agency without the qualifying offer and in a smaller crop of shortstops. I hope the Twins win the division. If they are not projected to win, and even if they are, Correa will very likely be traded in late July for prospects.- 17 replies
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I'm so confused by many Twins Daily folks. There has been a constant call to give innings to the prospects such as Ryan, Ober, Winder, Balazovic, and others. Adding a mediocre relief pitcher and a #6 starting pitcher does nothing to help the team and I expect Winder will now be sent down to AAA. This trade will reduce innings until Paddack is on the IL. Those who want low cost and player control should then be clamoring for trades of any and all of Sanchez, Sano, Polanco, Correa, and Kepler. Buxton has a no trade clause but might wave it to go to Atlanta for a prospect. I appreciate that the writers, like Seth in this article, try to just present the news but if the Twins cannot keep players on expiring contracts, the franchise is doomed. Getting inferior players because they have a couple of years of control is a weak strategy, at best. Why didn't Oakland trade Bassitt or Manaea for a Dobnak or Smeltzer? The Padres, supposedly, have a similar market to the Twins. Hmmm? I don't care for their team and i don't expect they will win the NL West. The moves have been confusing. The addition of Correa came at a time when national writers were asking why the Twins were spending at the same level as Kansas City. CC was entirely the work of Boras working with Pohlad. I'm not understanding the Twins at all, but am aware there are many others that laud all of these moves. Go Giants.
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This trade looks ominous for too many reasons to put down. TD has been screaming to give innings to the prospects such as Winder, Balazovic, etc. Are we now going to hear they all need a few more years of AAA experience? We traded JD because of money (small market?) or his personality? This sets up a possibility of summer trading activity. Could Sanchez, Sano, Correa, Gray, Kepler, and Polanco all bring in some solid prospects to raise our farm system above its current level? Rogers didn't want to sign an extension? San Diego was desperate to trade Paddock for anything. I guess the Twins are good guys and accommodating as well.
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5 Bold Twins Predictions for 2022
tony&rodney replied to Cody Christie's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Like many, I predict the Twins to win the World Series this year just like i do every year. I wish the snow and ice would melt too. Defense is important and fun to watch and fans should enjoy the improved play up the middle this year. Alex Kirilloff does belong at first base instead of in the outfield. Maeda making a late September return in relief could boost the bullpen. There are plenty of reasons that both Buxton and Correa could have MVP type seasons this summer and I am looking forward to their playing at least 145 games. Max Kepler can be frustrating to watch when he hits ground balls to second. However, Max is also one of only three competent outfielders on the team and Nick Gordon doesn't project to start most of the time. Rooker and Larnach are ok to hide in the outfield occasionally but are better fits at DH. So until Austin Martin and/or Royce Lewis, both quite athletic, are converted to the outfield the Twins need Kepler. A couple of July trades are possible and I'm high on Josh Winder right now. The Twins have a shot if everything goes right. It is gray outside right now, the ground is covered in snow, and more is falling (lightly), so I'm forced to believe the Twins are going to be good enough to win 87 games this year.- 17 replies
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Much ado concerning San Diego's Chris Paddock, a pitcher who sits between #6-8 within the starting rotation of his current team. A former prospect with some potential and a guy who has struggled to get it all together in the last few years. He earns about $2.5 million this year, whether he sits the pine, hones his craft in AAA, or flourishes and the Padres don't have a spot for him right now. This is not too far from Randy Dobnak or Drew Smeltzer, pitchers that might actually have some success when healthy. Why the interest? Well, as a flier for a player who would face the same fate with the another team - why not. What is insane, keeping in mind the inane trades that do happen, is the idea that the Mets would take on Hosmer's contract to add Paddock or that the Twins would exchange Rogers for a #6 pitcher. The argument that Rogers has only a year before free agency makes me crazy. The addition of players like Bundy, Gray, Urshela, Sanchez, Correa, Smith, Archer, and any fliers on minor league free agents were ostensible added to improve the team for 2022. A trade with San Diego may happen, but it never seemed like a reasonable approach given the Twins adherence to a budget or the combination of players. Now if the Twins wanted to take Hosmer's entire contract, Paddock, Gore, Campusano, and Hassel for Rogers, Larnach, Sanchez, Smeltzer, and Rooker ..... that is ridiculous. I would much prefer the Twins call the Pittsburgh GM and have some real conversations.
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How Long of Leash Will Chris Archer Get?
tony&rodney replied to Cody Christie's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Fair enough to dislike Jose Berrios as a pitcher. One never needs to accept that some players gain All Star status, large salaries, or high rankings through various means. Hopefully the disdain for Berrios is not tied to the fact he wouldn't sign with the Twins for their price and/or that he is now with Toronto. It is just his job after all. Plenty of Twins fans were not completely enamored with Berrios, yet he remains a consensus top 25 starting pitcher in MLB. Chris Archer was once held in high regard too, before injuries set him back. Archer looked good in his brief appearance in Spring Training and it will be interesting to see if he can regain his command of what was previously a solid repertoire of pitches.- 39 replies
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