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This is a deal you make every day of the week. However that doesn't make it feel any better. Whether he was traded now or in July we were going to trade Rogers. You don't let him go for no value. So what were we able to get. A pitcher who has raw talent can throw 95mph fastball and has a good change up. Essentially he has been a two pitch starter. He either has given up to easily on third pitch or hasn't been able to find a third pitch to incorporate. The other issue is his fastball has become very flat and has been hitting right down the middle a significant amount of time and getting hammered. He has had some poor defense which you would assume would lower the numbers from last year. It appears he can give the fastball more life in the first couple innings then begins to tire out as the game goes on. So the options are he becomes an effective 2 to 3 inning long relief or an opener start - or he develops a little more stamina and ideally a third pitch possibly a cutter. This isn't the reclamation projects of before, this is some slight tweaks, at the very least he should be a strong addition to the bullpen for short stints. Most likely with better defense and a few tweaks and actually working with analytics which the Padres are way behind on, we should be able to find a very capable #3 pitcher. Those don't grow on trees, and we gave up at most 60 innings of Rogers for that chance. The risk is the arm blows out for the second time. You also picked up a reliever in Pagan. Honestly he did really well until mid August then blew up. He can be an effective arm in our bullpen, but again he can get blown up on hard hit balls. He can fill in for Rogers but can't replace rogers. It will be interesting to see which relievers take on the high leverage situations. We were going to need to figure this out next year so why not do this a year early. I have stated it before, management is playing for 2023 - but they have given us enough to be excited for in this year to keep us interested. They did very well in that aspect, continuing the rebuild and retooling at the same time and not fully giving up on the season. We need to be prepared for Correa and and potentially some of our 1 year gambles on pitching to be traded at the deadline unless we have a 2019 situation all over again. We will just have to wait and see how this plays out.

I wonder if the Twins will be going to more of a Tampa Bay model this year. Lots of pitchers that can go 2-3 innings an outing. I think they were worried about filling out enough innings. With as many question marks as we have, and the likelihood they can only go 2-3 innings to start the season, this is likely a smart move for Rodgers 60-80 innings this year with additional control. As an aside I doubt Manea was the target we were looking at.

He is a reliable relief pitcher who is 30 and we only have this 1 year of control. The twins management is all about making incremental improvements and finding value. Overall as a fan slightly disappointed but honestly to be able to get a reliable young pitcher is well worth it if we can help him re find his confidence.

Heard he gets 4.5 million if he gets called up to the big leagues.

It looks like the twins did very well on scouting the pitchers in this draft. The 2019 draft was known as one of the worst pitching classes in almost a decade. The fact that they found 4 legit pitching prospects, with possibly 1-2 more is outstanding. Yes the rule 5 draft is looming, but honestly I think Canterino is on the big league team by the end of the year. That will leave Steer, Cavaco, Walner, Varland and Julien as likely needing protection. The lower players could also move into this tier and some of these players may fall out. The Twins can find spots for these players or potentially use these players or others on the 40 man as trade chips. This will definitely need to be managed but the fact that we are at this point is awefully good. The 2019 draft was one that left many scratching their heads. It looks much better today than it did at the time.

Alright this appears to be as a good of time as any to bring this post back up. 2 years later here is where we stand. The top 50 prospects of the twins is absolutely littered with this draft. Prospects #8 Canterino (2nd round) has all the talent needs to stay healthy #12 spencer Steer (3rd round) very very solid prospect #14 Cavaco (1st round) may have been more hurt by Covid than any other player, he is looking much improved growing into his body (however other SS prospects have done better) #16 Wallner (CB-A) This is a well know pick. Very good bat tool, needs to move faster through the system. #29 Varland (15th round) - honestly this is low in my mind - Varland has the talent to be a #1 to #3 pitcher. Very interested in how he does this year. #31 Julien (18th round) - He is playing very well. Appears to have a shot at making the league if he continues to improve. #36 Sawyer gipson-long (6th round) - has the talent, needs to remain consistent #37 Cody laweryson (14th round) - another pitcher with talent likely even slightly more than long in my mind. #41 Will Holland (5th round) - hit tool is struggling but the talent is still there #47 Ben Gross (round 10) - just a solid pitcher in the minors, likely doesn't have the stuff to make the big leagues This excludes 5 other players Mooney, Prato, Legumina, Thomas and Isola. Prato I think can still continue to improve and be a player down the road. Injuries have hampered Mooney and Thomas. Mooney did very well last year on limited innings. Both Mooney and Thomas if they play have the talent to move up the rankings. 2022 Will be a pivotal year for a lot of these players but this 2019 is well on track to be one of the best drafts in recent memory for the Twins.

How anyone thinks this was not a successful offseason is not looking at what the Twins achieved this offseason. The took an older catcher whose performance has deteriorated, a #3 catcher that had some promise, and aging 3rd baseman with a large contract and netted one of the best players, and ultimately a major asset that can pay dividends for this team in the long run. You pull that off you don't have the money to get a #1 pitcher on a contract. Also this regime appears to be very unwilling to give major money to pitching, their MO is to build their pitching through the draft and their prospects similar to what the Guardians/Indians did then give the money to the field players which have less injury risk (assuming your name isn't Buxton ). We can trade at anytime for a #1 pitcher if it is reasonable value. However, if Archer can stay healthy we may have just found the #1 or #2 pitcher we all wanted for pennies on the dollar. We will just have to wait and see. Montas will also likely get traded in the next 24-48 hours is my guess.

Manea is an ok pitcher, but not someone that is truly going to move the needle. Montas on the other hand would move the needle and likely costs more than the #12 and #26 prospect in the padres system. I think Montas is the one the twins have had interest in and many other teams. I also think they were being slow played which is why they went and signed Archer. Based on his performance yesterday, I think the twins are optimistic on what Archer could provide for the twins this year. Already throwing 95 mph in his first outing. He has the talent to easily be a #2 or #3 pitcher, and can be a borderline #1 piling up a lot of strikeouts if he can have his fastball in the 95 to 96 range. The fastball is his weakest pitch. Gray appears to be the one slightly behind the curve. If I were in management, honestly I would run this team out and see what they can do. They have a ton of wild cards and individuals with health concerns which if they all stay healthy this is a team that can compete, most likely 1 to 2 or more will get injured and 1-2 may underperform. There is no reason to invest a ton unless you are getting good value back. The brilliancy in the trades that ultimately netted us Correa is that it greatly enhanced the twins assets by merely moving around money and a few players. Unless the twins are in contention to possibly win it all - you trade Correa. You net a top prospect or two and you move on. I still think 2022 is a transition year. But the Twins have done a fine job, and putting a good enough product on the field to keep the fans excited while maintaining their pipeline for the future.

Possible the Marlins could try to pick him up?

There is too much money in a handful of stocks, that bubble will burst, at the same time there will be some massive money made in newer companies that are going to be well equipped to make really good money in the future. I am almost exclusively in hard asset stocks and leaning towards commodity stocks, silver and natural gas stocks being my primary investment. We are over halfway done with injection season for natural gas, which appears to have found a bottom, and will begin a continual rise up. Supply is down drastically and it takes over 6 months to drill and see the returns in increased supply. The stocks in general have been beat up and have extremely low valuations, and there should be minimal correlation between the rest of the stock market which I don't trust, and natural gas stocks. I also see the dollar going down, so silver and natural gas should really benefit in those environments.

Antibodies generally last at minimum 6-9 months, similar to flu vaccines. I sure hope the season is done by December. The bigger issue is if there are different strains caused by mutations.

I am surprised by the responses in this thread. Assuming asymptomatic, this is an ok occurrence, happens before the start of the season, and will likely have immunity the rest of the season. If I were the baseball players I would be tempted assuming I had no one else at risk, to have gotten the virus back in june, and then quarantined myself for 2 weeks. Then there would be minimal risk to effect the season, the downside is if someone had severe complications. The team is going to be affected by someone contracting covid during the season, right now we have 3-4 players who we know will not.

As a follow up. All the accusations have been dismissed.

Well, my initial post appears to be more accurate that not. The larger markets as a whole have done better, however, the Royals have been a major outlier, not only with the number of signees, but the quality of their signees. They have found something in their messaging that has clicked. And with a farm system ranked at 18, its not as if the farm system was absolute bare, however, there will be a lot of open spots on the big league roster available to prospects in the upcoming years. The red sox being ranked as the #3 farm system, shows my initial theory big leagues team would have an advantage signing players. I am curious if those players would have been drafted after round 25 or higher which would cause for more signees, but not necessarily any one that moves the needle.

Small market teams I expected to be at disadvantage in this format unless players feel the organization is superior at developing the talent. The first being players now have the options to pick which team to sign at for the ridiculously low amount. So the teams that have huge fan bases will have a couple advantages. The first being if the players were fans they may be more willing to sign with that team to say, I was signed by the Cubs or Yankees. The next is to think long term and say if I do make it, I may be able to make more on long term contract with a large market or mid market team than a small market team.

Look at it this way, if the season were to occur we have a chance we could trade someone like Rooker to an NL team to either use as a DH bat this year, plus a few days in the field, or to increase the hitters on an NL team for the minor league system as I would guess from here on out the DH will be used. It allows us to replace that strength and give us more options at having elite hitters in the future for DH, 1st Base and Right field. Allows the team to construct the rest of the roster how they see fit. We have taking alot of picks at 3rd base and SS as well. Needless to say we have a lot of hitters in the pipeline.

As much as its age its how long Brees has been in the public light, and actually dealt with this exact issue 4 years ago. But as to age, I think by age 30 you should at least have a decent understanding of your surroundings. I will say I was surprised to see Kepler was 27, I though he was 23.

Adding to this as slightly different, how old is Brees vs Kepler - 41 vs 27. Brees in my opinion has been around the block and should have known better, this was fully intentional on his part (kepler unwittingly walked into it). However his reasoning is different than what all the other players are upset about. His opinion is political beliefs/concerns should be separated from saluting the flag which he sees as honoring A. the flag B. the military. Makes sense right. He made no claims about social injustice yet that is what every one and his brother took it as yesterday and he got crucified and had to apologize today. We are so easily angered, slow to reconcile, and generally unwilling to look at others belief systems. I am not sure I like the whole group think mentality and trying to force everyone's opinions into the same box. However, at the same time that is exactly what Brees tried to do yesterday, he was attempting to force his team to make a decision on this before the season in the way that he saw this issue without considering the implications of how his other teammates would view this.

Ashbury, I think the ultimate issue is this: most of us understand the implications of what is going on around us. However to put the frustration and some point of blame on Kepler just doesn't sit right with many of us. Nick, you and Brock can back track and say no its his right,and that is not our intention, but your post above doesn't match with the other 15 lines in Nicks original post essentially disparaging Max, and Brock has made it very clear as much as he does not want to place blame, he thinks he dropped the ball and essentially "deserved" this thread. This is my last post on the topic, as all of us at some point need a little tap on the shoulder to say as my daughter sings every day "Let it go." It doesn't mean we can't continue to fight for equality and make things better, but in my world that includes building each other up, possibly causing some positive change, but also realizing others have opinions that I don't agree with and that's ok, ultimately I think that is where this thread falls short.

The owners know they have the upper hand in this negotiation, but with the bigger agreement coming down the road they are taking a very short sighted approach. I love how I have heard a couple of announcers state, well they plow all their money back into operations and no one could foresee this and this is fiscal responsibility and they are not hoarding any profit. True but their profit is in the increase of value in their ownership stake. They can take out so short term loans, or defer some payment to make this work, besides fans will likely be in the stands by August. As to the twins in a 60 or 100 game season. I am really curious to be what will be considered the central division, and will a team like Pittsburgh be part of the Central league. If so 3 of the absolute worst teams in the league would be in our division. With then a couple mediocre teams white sox and then the rest of then the Indians, reds cubs, brewers and cardinals being above average, and then the Twins being elite. Odds should be 95% of getting in with a 14 team playoff.

Different situation, different time. Societal issues from the pandemic to uprisings is infringing on baseball. This is a baseball topic, with one of our players. I don't agree with all of the premise, but I understand it. I've always been one, that you aren't forced to read this thread, and obviously you disagreed with the post. That is fine I can understand it, but to dismiss it all together is not improving any situation. If thats not what you come here for, open up the other 99% of posts and everyone will be in a better place once baseball hopefully opens back up again.

I will admit, I haven't read through the entire string, but I've read through the majority of it, and the initial 2 pages of response, that is not the perception that is being relayed in the messages (evidence by the response, and in my opinion it is not as much lack of individuals concern of the issues as has been portrayed). However, trying to clarify after already blasting him, is no better than him having to backtrack, or a cop trying to fix a situation after they fired first without asking questions. Personal interactions need improvement across the board - not just this board but in society.

I don't want to speak for Brock or Nick and other posters, but I don't think its their full point, as to his initial post, they seem to be more upset by has lack of understanding and publicly making a sincere apology. I somewhat understand their stance, I also think Max unwittingly walked into a hornets nest and merely tried to get out of it as quickly as possible. In my opinion he doesn't deserve vitriol or negative response he has received. Intention is more important to me than the actual act. Max had no intention of demeaning african Americans, and to insinuate as such is short sighted. We at all times have to be educated on issues. His lack of awareness is nothing more than lack of awareness. Education on the issue is the number 1 key. Acknowledge issues and create solutions while minimizing destructive forces is our best way to move forward.

Just curious, has anyone here been in the blue eyed, brown eye experiment? Did it in 10th grade. You want enlightenment, have a little taste of prejudice and it opens your eyes really quick. Still stuck with me 20 years later. That singular day in the morning was one of the most awful experiences I have ever had. You learn real quick why individuals who are subjected to racism are jaded, don't excel as well and generally do not achieve their potential and make poor decisions due to the negative feedback loop they receive.

We can agree agree to disagree. I believe it does. Its not as if he is inherently racist, and he has not gone through history 101 at the high school level or the college level, and has apparently had no negative interactions to make his conscience aware. Its similar to kid, you need to educate. If this is his first awareness, educate, let him have some conversations with his teammates, done. You are taking a moral highground approach, that everyone should be on your level of awareness, and if not should be blasted. That approach does not create change, as I have posted above. Its from honest conversations, relationships and putting the work in to cause change. I am impressed Brock and a few plan to donate. However, that will cause a pittance of change of what any of us can cause by merely getting involved, getting out of our own comfort zones, and becoming good role models, friends, confidants ect. Relationships cause more change than money any day.