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  1. Battle ur tail off
    You can't? Have you followed this club for long? That said, I don't think this was the year to go all in. The team is not playing well. They don't have it this season. Last year was their chance. They were playing great, getting offense we have never seen in Twins territory. But we needed to hang onto prospects that are either hurt all the time or aren't making a difference yet. Even though we have been told how great they are over and over. Pitching would have been nice to have last year. This year, I don't think it is going to matter as alot of guys are coming back down to earth at the plate.
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    Call them missteps when they sign the wrong players that are old. So far, the signing of Nelson Cruz last year was the best in baseball. He was fantastic. Donaldson is the other one. He was studly last year and likely is again for another few seasons. The rest of that list is low risk IMO. They aren't paying them much and they are on short term deals. Besides that, they are players that aren't what I would call "main" players they are counting on anyway. If they bomb out, DFA and move on. They are basically place holders with experience that may or may not work out.
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    You're definitely a one way is the only way type of guy. Not every team's situation is the same. You can post about those generalizations on and on and it means nothing as it pertains to this current Twins club. Look at the Twins roster right now. I am certain that their top performers are very similar to your numbers you posted there. Most of our guys are home grown too. Always have been. Lots that were drafted, signed internationally, traded for as prospects, etc. It's OK to take a chance once in awhile and give up 1 or 2 top 10 guys. Do you trade from your system all the time? NO, it's not good practice. But to balance out and fill holes, it is acceptable IMO.
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    What happens when your system is out of balance? Meaning, too many position players and not enough pitchers? What about when your ML lineup is all young, controllable and producing? Do we hang onto those prospects and just let them sit in the minors? Do we trade the guys on the MLB roster? When you are in dire need of pitching like this team is, I think it is imperative to trade from your position of strength to shore up a weakness.
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    Right. I am with you. And Synergaard is just a name I threw out. I want one of those types of pitchers. Whether they can be had now, later or never is the question. I do however think that with as many position player prospects and young guys we have around, it wouldn't hurt to move 1-2 of them in order to get this type of player in here.
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    I'm not sure it's that at all. I think when assessing those guys you named, there probably just isn't that #1-2 potential in any of them. Flat out the Twins just missed on pitching in quite a few drafts in a row plus they didn't really develop a whole ton of high end guys. What they did do though was hit on LOTS of position players. There are bunches of young guys that are productive right now in our system. The time is most definitely right to go out and trade from this surplus to strengthen a weakness. I honestly am of the belief that it would be better to use some of your better prospects and go after a true #1-2 guy. The Twins systems literally has quite a darn few pretty good prospects that giving up a Lewis + another top 10 wouldn't kill us. Especially since the core of this team is so young. I also don't really like the hope Robbie Ray is better than a #4 starter, or let's trade for Mathew Boyd type deals. A Syndergaard type, or someone of that nature would be who I'd rather see them target. Use your high end guys and bring back a high end guy. Preferably one that is a little younger and can be part of the core of guys we have locked up here for the next 3-5 years.
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    It'd be nice, but Graterol 2020 vs Liriano 2006 are 2 totally different pitchers. One has a good fastball and maginal secondary stuff. The other had a good fastball and the best slider in the league and possibly in the history of baseball until he got hurt.
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    One thing that is so cool about this. Granted they are a little older now, but who is their right mind would ever predict the Twins to be employing both Nelson Cruz and Josh Donaldson at the same time? Add to that a guy that profiles very similar in Sano and we have 3 of the best power hitters in the game in our lineup. Unreal.
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    I'm not though really. He gives us great production for 2 years, then a 3rd year of marginal/average and a 4th year as a bench player, we are fine. This is how most free agent deals work. You are overpaying for the final years of their contract, while paying market rate for the first few years. This is a win now move. Coupled with the rest of a team that is young and producing and playing for peanuts, this shouldn't hurt them one bit.
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    Now making a trade for a starting pitcher becomes more of a reality IMO. I know now, I at least FEEL like it may happen. Whether it's now or at the deadline. This move is going to energize the fanbase and I'd guess the team as well. Go out and get that great starting pitcher and this would look like the best offseason of any team in the league I'd say.
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    This is awesome news. Surprising to me and I’ll be honest I didn’t think they would do it. The most important part of this to me is that the front office just showed us that they WILL push the chips in when it is warranted. I have to eat crow on this one as I had been plenty critical of these guys and ownership.
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    Whatever happens, I don't think it's smart to go to arbitration with him over that 375K. It just HAS to be that they are working on a deal with him, otherwise, to alienate your best pitcher would be foolish.
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    Did I say I was smarter than them? You posted, "what would you do". I posted what I would have done. Were any of the other teams after these guys in the situation that the Twins are in? Because this is a unique case here at the moment. Are you of the belief that you must stick to your "assigned values" all the time, no matter the situation? I'm curious, because by doing so, as they have done this offseason, it resulted in getting ZERO of the guys they wanted.
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    I would guess the reason they haven't just given Berrios that 4.4 number is that they want to hold up the process and work towards a long term deal. If they just give him that 4.4 today, it's probably harder to get that long term deal done. If they aren't and this truly is a case of the Twins hanging tough over 350K, it is laughable and extremely cheap.
  15. Battle ur tail off
    Offered Wheeler 5/135 mil Offered Madbum 4/100 mill Offered Ryu 3/80 Yes, I would have done things like this is that order. That would have guaranteed we get one of them The differences in these offers and what the Twins had on the table amounts to about 3-5 million more per year. If they were willing to go to 100 with Wheeler, 80 with Madbum or 65 with Ryu, the difference is basically what would amount to a bullpen arm or a utility player. A bullpen arm or position player that could be easily filled with someone in your system for the league minimum. .
  16. Battle ur tail off
    Not truly angry as in this makes me mad and I just can't go on. In the scheme of life this is a baseball team and it won't affect my life one way or another. I guess I should have said frustrated.
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    You forget about the guys that take the middle ground. Just because you want to see a few prospects traded or an impact guy signed doesnt mean you want to break the bank or trade a substantial portion of your top prospects. What I and others see is a team with not much money that has to be paid this year or next. Wouldn't hurt a thing right now to spend some of it on an impact guy. I also see a team with their lineup full and some redundency in their system with hot shot prospects. You can't play both the guys that are starting now and these prospects. Why not trade from a position of strength to beef up a place of weakness(pitching)? These prospects are worth lots right now. You don't need to trade them all but if you have 3-4 guys that profile as corner outfielders, you can afford to move one of them. When you have an all-star shortstop and a good young player at 2B, it's okay to move a middle infielder and bet on the guys you have there now that are producing.
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    Haha. I don't have all the right answers either. None of us do, this is a message board to give opinions and burn time. I agree the Twins team from last year was great. I'd just like to see them supplement it and give it a good run.
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    And maybe they aren't. Maybe they are working on an extention and Berrios is being unreasonable. We don't know. My hope is that either this year or next, they can get a deal for him to buys out 2 or so FA seasons. Talking about impact pitching all the time. Berrios is impact. Keeping him around and happy I think is of extreme importance.
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    And to some of us, this looks like pitchforking through a garbage bin and picking out a few half eaten apples that look like they "might" be decent yet. What is the average age of those guys you named off? Romo, Clippard, Hill, Bailey. All are OLD. And all are at best average to below average players right now. How is that "impacting" anything. See and the way I see it, is that you HAD to bring back Ordorizi and Pineda, just to get you half the way to where you needed to be. That said, I thought these were both excellent moves. These 2 IMO, are both solid #3-4 starters. Glad they realized what they had there and made darn sure they stayed with the team. Romo, Clippard, Bailey, Hill. I hope like heck these guys can bring it next year, but be honest, there is just as good a chance that NONE of these guys are productive for the Twins this season. Can they be? Sure. But what is the average age of these guys? We will see, but IMO to count on any of these guys to be better than league average isn't wise. And thus, the "impact" they will bring doesn't excite alot of us.
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    I find it extremely hard to understand how there are people that are NOT angry? Honestly. Were some of you not around during the 2000's? This team had a core that consisted of a Cy Young Winner, Batting champion, and MVP all in the same season. This same season they employed a journeyman utility player at DH. The "big trade" they made to put this team over the top? DFA fodder for PTBNL types. This is the same path I see this new front office going down as it pertains to player acquisitions. I've said it before, these guys are not much different than Terry Ryan when it comes to that. THAT is what is frustrating to those of us with the different opinion than ya'll.
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    I flat out just don't think it's really worth trading anyone to acquire a 3B or 1B unless they are extremely good. If it were me, at this point, if they don't sign Donaldson, I'd just have an open competition for a spot at either 1B and let Rooker, Kiriloff, or 3B and let Lewis, maybe Blankenhorn battle it out. I'd get Sano a ton of reps at 1B as well. I just feel like this way would provide as good or better results than signing a washup type to play 1B. Garver can get some games at 1B there too as well as Gonzalez, etc. I'm always of the belief if you aren't willing to bring in high end guys to play, then go with your system players rather than give someone that's decent not good a 2 year deal etc and waste money for a guy that has a decent chance of being DFAed before that contract is even up.
  23. Battle ur tail off
    It was wrong in the fact that, yep, they settled with them. I'm not this hard headed type that won't budge on takes or admit when I am wrong. It happens. In fact, I am most likely wrong much more than I'm right! LOL I'm sorry for being so cynical, but this offseason has really taken it's toll on me. I shouldn't be so negative, but man it's hard to watch/listen this winter. I'm glad they got a deal with Sano done. Looks like it's another "team friendly" deal for them. Good for them. I hope at some point they actually go for it though. I'm of the belief this core is pretty dang good and it's just an utter shame to not supplement them and fill holes with those "impact" players we always talk about. Seriously, this lineup is good enough to win a world series, or at least win a playoff series or two.
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    I SURE DO MISS THE OLD BOY.
  25. Battle ur tail off
    Not good to have this many cases go to arbitration. To me that means the Twins lowballed every single one of them. When will they learn. I'm guessing our best guys have had enough of their bosses already. Don't expect it to be easy to sign the rest of the core of this team to long term deals.
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