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    Randy Dobnak Is Better Than You Think


    Matthew Trueblood

    Among the group of Twins internal starters without a firm place for 2020, but with a clear chance to assert themselves, one name stands out: Randy Dobnak. No other in-season reinforcement had the kind of impact Dobnak had, and none of them have as much potential to be a valuable starter throughout 2020.

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    Dobnak isn’t just a good story and a quirky look; he’s a legitimate starter. After all, 2019 was just his second full season as a professional, and he scaled four levels to reach the big leagues. He pitched 163 innings, and at all four stops he was above-average according to both of Baseball Prospectus’s key pitching metrics, cFIP and DRA-.

    Some of what he did in the big leagues in 2019 is undeniably unsustainable. Of the 514 pitchers who threw at least 400 pitches, only one induced a higher percentage of swings on pitches outside the strike zone than did Dobnak—Ryan Pressly. Twins fans know well what Pressly can do with the ball; Dobnak isn’t quite on that level. Inevitably, batters will force Dobnak to throw more strikes going forward, and that means he’s unlikely to keep his walk or home-run rates as low as they’ve been thus far.

    Even once the league adjusts to him, though, Dobnak will have some things going for him that can’t be ignored. Let’s break down his four-pitch arsenal, piece by piece, to see why the Twins could reasonably project their diamond in the rough to be a solid starter at the back end of their rotation in 2020.

    Sinker

    Dobnak comes at hitters from the first-base side of the rubber, with a pretty simple delivery and a pretty low arm slot. His posture is excellent, which has helped him repeat that delivery and demonstrate good command.

    It’s also the perfect mechanical signature to support his sinker, which is a heavy, low-spin thing batters couldn’t figure out in 2019. Of the 263 pitchers who threw at least 100 sinkers this year, Dobnak had the 12th-most sink, and because he located it so consistently at the bottom of the zone, that heavy action led to a ground-ball rate just under 70 percent on the pitch.

    Sinkers are going out of vogue, league-wide, as batters find ways to square up and elevate the pitch and pitchers look for offerings with more unconventional movement, chasing swings and misses. As well as Dobnak executes his particular sinker, though, he should stick with it, at least as a complementary offering.

    Slider

    In some quarters, it’s controversial even to call Dobnak’s slider a slider. It’s read as a curveball by Statcast, and that’s understandable. The pitch has a very vertical shape, and 90th-percentile vertical depth. It doesn’t sweep like a conventional slider, especially one typically thrown from an arm slot like Dobnak’s.

    That, in fact, is what makes it so dastardly. When Dobnak served as an opener in Boston just after Labor Day, he got a couple of swings and misses on the slider. The reactions of the Red Sox broadcast team (that night, Dennis Eckersley was in the booth) tells the story of the Dobnak breaking ball succinctly. Eckersley was flabbergasted by the action of the pitch.

    A replay showed the team how Dobnak releases the ball very much like a slider, getting around the ball as opposed to creating topspin the way a curve does. It also showed the lack of any hump out of the hand, disguising the breaking ball better than curves do. As Eckersley explained, a pitch thrown that way, from that slot, should have more sweep and less plunge to it.

    Hitters did no better at solving the Dobnak slider than did Eckersley. He induced whiffs on over 46 percent of swings on the pitch. He got swings on over 56 percent of the sliders he threw, despite rarely throwing the pitch for a strike. When he did land it in the zone, he froze opponents and got called strikes with a regularity usually reserved for curveballs.

    The sample is, admittedly, tiny, but Dobnak’s slider had all the markers of an extremely effective pitch. The list of guys with comparable results on the pitch, based on whiffs, pop-ups, and called strikes, starts with elite relievers Will Smith and Felipe Vázquez. Batters will adjust, but they can’t solve the pitch, because it’s genuinely special.

    Four-Seamer

    Though not his least-used offering, the four-seamer is the weakest pitch in Dobnak’s arsenal, and the one he needs to hone if he wants to thrive and push his ceiling higher. He doesn’t spin it especially well, and it’s a low-rise fastball, which is a tough pitch for which to find a role in this day and age. Hitters see it less as heavy than as flat, and therefore hittable.

    The best comparison point for Dobnak’s fastball might be that of Mike Leake, who is also a sinker-first guy who relies on athleticism and has a relatively low slot, but Leake has a cutter that keeps hitters honest. If Dobnak can just learn to locate the four-seamer up in the zone, he can get away with it as a changer of eye levels. If he can develop a pitch with a bit more armside movement, he can really start to use the four-seamer as a weapon, but for now, it’s a pitch he throws purely to burn hitters sitting on sinker or slider, and he’s not likely to succeed in that endeavor for long.

    On the other hand, Leake throws in the upper 80s with his heat. Dobnak’s four-seamer can find a gear his sinker can’t, and sometimes touches 95 or 96 miles per hour. Again, then, it comes down to whether he can get comfortable firing that heat toward the top of the zone, despite his mechanical signature, and without radically altering his release point.

    Changeup

    Because of the unique movement on his slider and his sinker-first fastball profile, Dobnak doesn’t need his changeup as much as most right-handed starters do. When he brought it out in 2019, however, it seemed a viable offering. He commands it well enough to the first-base side of the rubber to use it against righties, which is relatively rare.

    He can also fool lefties really effectively with it because of the velocity gap between the change and his fastballs. Movement-wise, however, there’s very little difference between his change and sinker, so once more, some of his effectiveness will be dictated by his ability or inability to start using the four-seamer above the belt.

    There’s no chance Dobnak explodes into some new strata from here. He’s not going to give the team the upside it needs in its rotation, which is why they still need to aggressively explore options to add a new ace or co-ace at the front end.

    However, whereas it would be easy to view him as an extra option or a swingman, the team should view Dobnak as a credible fourth or fifth starter, someone they can count on enough not to spend free-agent dollars on a marginal option like Rick Porcello or Homer Bailey. Dobnak can do anything those guys can do. Derek Falvey and Thad Levine should be out there selling someone who can genuinely change the equation on being a Twin, and spend whatever money they might otherwise throw at a lesser second option at that primary target as a sweetener.

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    My question is quite simple. What has changed between now and when the Twins were really trying to minimize his use in August and Early September? 28 Innings? 

     

    I am all for getting Dobnak a chance to show us that he is better than we think. I believe he might be better than we think. It's possible, I won't doubt the guy but we don't know and the front office doesn't know. 

     

    However... it would be bad roster management and a pure dice roll to plan your 2020 opening day roster with Dobnak taking one of the spots after trying really really hard not to utilize him 28 innings ago. 

     

    It's 2020... It's a pivotal year... Don't mess around. Sign or trade for some arms with a track record.  This is what contending teams do in the off-season. They don't mess around.

     

    Agreed.

     

    I like Dobnak's potential quite a bit. I think he has decent stuff, the right frame, decent velocity, etc. I think his rise last season should not be discounted. He appears determined, unflappable and has the sort of "it" intelligence factor. All good things! How good could he be? Let's check back in a season or two shall we.

     

    I like this kid a lot. But I also like Thorpe an awful lot too. I think some people discount him because he isn't 21-22yo old. But he missed two full seasons and has been pushed pretty aggressively since his return. And he's done very well. While his ML numbers for 2019 don't look all that great, there were innings and moments when you could see the potential. I think he is a legitimate ML SP with a floor of quality RP who could be Rogers-like, potentially.

     

    And in no way should we dismiss Smeltzer at this point. We saw flashes and potential of a bulldog, smart pitcher last season.

     

    But let's be real. If he can be nurtured a bit and keep his IP under control, Graterol is a HIGH END talent who could potentially explode over the next year or two.

     

    ALL of these guys have a chance to make real contributions in 2020 as the 5th SP, temp 4th SP while waiting for Pineda, and out of the pen. (There are a few others who could make their presence known before 2020 is over as well). And with experience, talent, coaching and the right opportunity, we will be able to approach 2021 with a couple of these guys penciled in to key roles.

     

    But this is a HIGH quality team with real potential. I don't knkw who the FO is going to bring on board to add to the top of the rotation, or whether it will be via FA or trade. I fully believe in the smarts of our FO to bring in a quality arm to add to the mix...even if it isn't exactly who may have been hoped for. But regardless, when you look at some of the arms available, there are a number of guys out there who could be brought in on a 1yr or 1+1 deal that still offer up experience and potential where you deepen your options and potential.

     

    As I stated elsewhere, there is and will be opportunity for these young guys. But get that one arm you really think can help, and then sign another whether you want to call it a flier or bounce back.

     

    Fact:  Berrios, Dobnak, Odorizzi all lost games last postseason against the Yankees who now added Cole.

     

    The Twins need much better if they want to be relevant and not go belly up again in the postseason

    While the starters didn't shine, the defense was worse, the bullpen was worse and the offense was worse.    Berrios gave up one earned run.   Odorizzi but for bad defense would have given up one run and Dobnak wasn't on the field when the Yankees scored 3 of the 4 runs charged against them.     Starters didn't shine but they were the least of the problem this past post season and is being blamed for being all of it.     I still think that series would have been way different if Littell had done his job.    Maybe not.   Its baseball so its full of what ifs.

    Dobs is a reliever. You can tell by his goose gossage mustache and antoine carr oakleys.

     

    Let the back-of-head hair flow long out the bottom of your cap, figure out your favorite Metallica/Megadeath song, heat up that straight-ball a few ticks, and go to your home.

     

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    But I do disagree with the root of your analysis. Berrios absolutely has room to grow and develop further. We have all seen the talent and potential.
     

     

    Jose Berrios's 3 full MLB seasons:

     

     

    2017: 3.89 ERA, 3.84 FIP, 1.229 WHIP, 8.6 K/9, 2.9 K/BB
    2018: 3.84 ERA, 3.90 FIP, 1.144 WHIP, 9.5 K/9, 3.3 K/BB
    2019: 3.68 ERA, 3.85 FIP, 1.233 WHIP, 8.8 K/9, 3.8 K/BB

     

    Maybe improvement but maybe regression.  If improvement, with that rate, it will take him 10 years to realize his potential.

     

    Potential is different that results in the ballpark.  Maybe it is his training regiment and he needs to focus on recuperating and or pitching, instead of dragging tractor tires around. 

     

    Could be between his ears.   I don't know what it is, but he is not progressing at the rate a top pitcher should be progressing...

     

    Jose Berrios's 3 full MLB seasons:

     

     

    2017: 3.89 ERA, 3.84 FIP, 1.229 WHIP, 8.6 K/9, 2.9 K/BB
    2018: 3.84 ERA, 3.90 FIP, 1.144 WHIP, 9.5 K/9, 3.3 K/BB
    2019: 3.68 ERA, 3.85 FIP, 1.233 WHIP, 8.8 K/9, 3.8 K/BB

     

    Maybe improvement but maybe regression.  If improvement, with that rate, it will take him 10 years to realize his potential.

     

    Potential is different that results in the ballpark.  Maybe it is his training regiment and he needs to focus on recuperating and or pitching, instead of dragging tractor tires around. 

     

    Could be between his ears.   I don't know what it is, but he is not progressing at the rate a top pitcher should be progressing...

     

    Progress isn't linear. Berrios was a legit number 2 last year, I have no idea what you want/expect from him. With a tiny bit of improvement, he'd be one of the 10 best starters in baseball.

     

    That said, those stats look pretty consistent, so we just might have to settle for 4.x fWAR a year from him, and him being one of the 20 or so best pitchers in the game......../s

    Jose Berrios's 3 full MLB seasons:

     

     

    2017: 3.89 ERA, 3.84 FIP, 1.229 WHIP, 8.6 K/9, 2.9 K/BB

    2018: 3.84 ERA, 3.90 FIP, 1.144 WHIP, 9.5 K/9, 3.3 K/BB

    2019: 3.68 ERA, 3.85 FIP, 1.233 WHIP, 8.8 K/9, 3.8 K/BB

     

    Maybe improvement but maybe regression. If improvement, with that rate, it will take him 10 years to realize his potential.

     

    Potential is different that results in the ballpark. Maybe it is his training regiment and he needs to focus on recuperating and or pitching, instead of dragging tractor tires around.

     

    Could be between his ears. I don't know what it is, but he is not progressing at the rate a top pitcher should be progressing...

    And you bring up an interesting point I have mentioned before. I don't believe his offseason regiment is an issue. And I have absolutely no clue what his in-season routine is. But for such a highly conditioned young athlete, he seems to have a late season fade each season after looking so dominant previously. I'm wondering if he is working too hard during the season and should back off to maintain endurance and energy.

    Dobnak's success with ridiculous control of an unorthodox pitch mix is reminiscent of Tyler Duffey's 2017. Duffey was hitting corners with multiple curve balls at different speeds and from different angles. But doing that requires so much touch and finesse, almost no pitcher can have that much feel for multiple off speed pitches game in and game out. His curves were beauties, but only dominant when combined with control.

     

    Dobnak dominated with pinpoint control of his sinker and slider. In my opinion, I think it's really unlikely he can keep that up. I think his outing in Yankee stadium may well be his new normal.

     

    Dobnak's success with ridiculous control of an unorthodox pitch mix is reminiscent of Tyler Duffey's 2017. Duffey was hitting corners with multiple curve balls at different speeds and from different angles. But doing that requires so much touch and finesse, almost no pitcher can have that much feel for multiple off speed pitches game in and game out. His curves were beauties, but only dominant when combined with control.

    Dobnak dominated with pinpoint control of his sinker and slider. In my opinion, I think it's really unlikely he can keep that up. I think his outing in Yankee stadium may well be his new normal.

    Finally someone that saw what I saw.    Fans were saying that off season he needed to develop another pitch  or the league would catch up to him.   No!!!  he was already changing speeds and angles so much it was like he had 20 different pitches.   I suspect that working on that 3rd pitch so much the next year caused him to lose a little bite and command of his curve ball and just as importantly he stopped hitting corners with his fast ball.    Of course then fans said "See, told you he couldn't last as a starter with just two pitches!"   ignoring the fact that those two pitches just weren't as good as the previous year.    Now Dobnak might be the same way but he wasn't just great in his 28 major league innings.   He was great in the 135 innings he pitched in the minors.    He might just be a flash in the pan but I'm not going to just assume so.   Anyone can have a clunker and in Yankees stadium to boot.   At any rate, I think he's earned the shot.

    I'm glad Maeda is on the pitching staff this season. Maeda can show a guy like Dobnak how to get even more guys out by moving the ball around the zone, not just along the bottom of the zone. Venturing away from the floor is what Dobbs needs to do if he wants to keep hitters from golfing for his sinkers. 

    I'm glad Maeda is on the pitching staff this season. Maeda can show a guy like Dobnak how to get even more guys out by moving the ball around the zone, not just along the bottom of the zone. Venturing away from the floor is what Dobbs needs to do if he wants to keep hitters from golfing for his sinkers.

    Don’t think this on the mark. He gives up few homers so I don’t see anybody golfing his sinkers. I do agree that Maeda could be a good example for him

     

    I'm glad Maeda is on the pitching staff this season. Maeda can show a guy like Dobnak how to get even more guys out by moving the ball around the zone, not just along the bottom of the zone. Venturing away from the floor is what Dobbs needs to do if he wants to keep hitters from golfing for his sinkers. 

     

    I don't agree with this at all. Dobnak's pitches all have huge downward break. I'm not sure that you want him pitching at the top of the zone unless you are advocating for a new pitch mix. I don't think you have to worry about Dobnak's HR rate, though there will be times that HRs are hit off of him.

     

    I don't agree with this at all. Dobnak's pitches all have huge downward break. I'm not sure that you want him pitching at the top of the zone unless you are advocating for a new pitch mix. I don't think you have to worry about Dobnak's HR rate, though there will be times that HRs are hit off of him.

    A new pitch mix is exactly what I'm talking about...after Dobbs gets through the order once or twice. We see how his ducks dominate at first, but after one or two times through, hitters start to adjust. That is when he should be ready to, say, work the outside half instead of the bottom half. If something like that gets him through the order one more time, then we have a six- to seven-inning horse. 

     

    A new pitch mix is exactly what I'm talking about...after Dobbs gets through the order once or twice. We see how his ducks dominate at first, but after one or two times through, hitters start to adjust. That is when he should be ready to, say, work the outside half instead of the bottom half. If something like that gets him through the order one more time, then we have a six- to seven-inning horse. 

     

    I think asking Dobnak to learn an entirely new pitch is a tall task. He would need to develop a 4 seam to pitch up in the zone similar to Maeda and even then asking that to be an effective pitch given his lack of velocity seems like a stretch.

     

    Working the edges of the plate, sure is something that he could do, but I'm not sure he doesn't do that already and your initial post was about looking to Maeda about pitching at the top of the zone. Maeda has a different pitch mix. I'm not sure it's something Dobnak can replicate... though there may be other things he could do.

    I don't see a lot of mandatories on Randy's to-do list. If he just keeps doing what he's doing and continues tweaking his stuff, he'll be fine far into the future. I see him as one of our 2 or 3 most reliable starters for the next ten years. Assuming continued good health, which I'll happily wish him here.

    His 2020 small sample is now about the same size as his 2019 small sample.

     

    This year, he's walking more, and striking out less, and giving up more home runs, resulting in a predictably higher FIP. None of that matters in the face of an unsustainably low 2020 BABiP against of .189. Dobnak is probably better than we THOUGHT he was...and probably not as good as we THINK he is. :)

     

    Taking that further...Twins staff BABiP against so far this year:...Romo, .118, Wisler .154, Maeda .162, Duffey .182, Dobnak .189, Hill .208 Clippard .231. As a staff, it's .254...something you can only see in small samples.

     

    So...let's get those bats going! 




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