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    Should the Twins Pursue Slugger Jorge Soler to Beef Up Lineup?


    Hunter McCall

    With a little newfound wiggle room in the payroll, could the Twins push to sign Jorge Soler to add outfield flexibility?

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    The Twins finally made an offseason splash on Monday night, when they sent Jorge Polanco to the Seattle Mariners for a four-player package. In doing so, the team gained enough financial flexibility to focus on what is left of the free agent market. Jorge Soler is one intriguing name remaining on the market who could fit in well with the Twins.

    According to Do-Hyoung Park at MLB.com, Derek Falvey indicated following the trade that the team will now turn its attention to the position player side of the roster. In the article, Park also mentions that Falvey admitted adding outfield depth flexibility is high on the list of priorities. Soler checks most of the boxes the Twins desire.

    Coming off a monster 2023 season, Soler declined his option with the Marlins and tested the free-agent market. Soler’s projected contract, per The Athletic, was three years and $45 million, which comes out to $15 million annually. Following the Polanco trade, this contract isn’t too far out of the Twins' spending range, and there are rumors that a “mystery team” has entered the Soler market. Does Soler fit with the Twins, and could they create enough financial flexibility to pursue a deal?

    Losing Polanco leaves a minor hole in the Twins lineup. If Byron Buxton plans on playing center field (as he says he does), the Twins need a guy to slot in as the primary DH. Signing Soler would help solve many minor problems with their outfield depth. On a day where the Twins are facing a right-handed pitcher with Buxton playing center field, Soler would DH. When Buxton needs a day off or moves to DH, Soler could play a corner spot, and Max Kepler or Willi Castro could play center field. As Lou Hennessy wrote earlier this month, Soler mashes left-handed pitching, so on days when the team faces a lefty, he could take over corner duties for Matt Wallner. This type of flexibility and platoon possibilities fit the Twins' preferred roster construction.

    As mentioned before, Soler had a great 2023 season. Among the best parts about Soler’s game is his ability to provide elite power and on-base percentage to a lineup, without a sky-high strikeout rate. While his 24.3% strikeout rate was still in the bottom third of the league, his 11.4% walk rate and 36 home runs were more than enough to make up for the whiffs. For comparison’s sake, Joey Gallo had a 42.8% strikeout rate with a 14.5% walk rate in 2023. Adding a guy who can supply the power and on-base skills the Twins covet without adding a high strikeout percentage would be a significant upgrade to a team that set the major-league record for strikeouts in 2023.

    On top of his excellent on-base skills, Soler also fits the Twins' preferred batting profile. In 2023, Twins hitters were 4th in the league in average launch angle, at 14 degrees. With an average launch angle of 17.7 degrees in 2023, Soler fits this philosophical mold. The Twins tend to look for guys who can pull the ball in the air, and Soler also checks this box.

    While Soler appears to be a great fit, the Twins still have to find a way to make it work. According to our best info, the Twins have about $11 million available in the budget that they’re willing to spend, as they are expected to lower the payroll from previous years. As mentioned, Soler could cost around $15 million per season, though it might be too late in the offseason for him to get any more than that or to find that third or fourth year he's been seeking. The Twins will either have to shed more payroll or get creative with the potential contract to get a deal done.

    The first option is to move more money to make room for Soler. The most obvious way to do this is to find a suitable trade partner for Kyle Farmer. While Farmer does provide a fine platoon option in the infield, it may not be enough to justify paying him $6.5 million. Farmer’s market (pun intended) may be thin, but the primary purpose of moving him would be to dump his contract. If they were to find a team who need an infielder and has a bit more certainty about their TV deal for this season, they should be able to trade him. Doing this would clear up more than enough space to sign Soler. In Farmer’s absence, the Twins could turn to the switch-hitting Castro or Yunior Severino as potential platoon options at second base, or speed the promotion of Brooks Lee.

    Another way to make a deal work is to backload a potential contract. If they are cutting the payroll due to potential losses in TV money, they could still sign Soler to a three-year, $45-million contract, but instead of paying $15 million every year, they could structure the deal to pay less now, more later. For example, the Twins could give Soler $11 million in 2024, $15 million in 2025, and $19 million in 2026. If the team plans to increase the budget again once the TV mess is settled, this could be a possible solution. Again, since it's now February, maybe the third year isn't even needed. Perhaps $17 million in 2025 (with an opt-out) would be enough.

    It’s hard not to consider Jorge Soler a really nice fit for the Twins. Though his defense is subpar, he would provide enough defensive flexibility while adding a big bat to a deep lineup. Even if the TV situation doesn’t get resolved and the Twins decide to cut down on spending, there are ways they can get something done. A move like this would earn the Twins another offseason gold star and deliver a noticeable improvement from the 2023 roster.

    Should the Twins pursue Jorge Soler? What are your thoughts? Let me know in the comments! Go, Twins!

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    Last season Soler was described by his manager as a leader in the clubhouse. Either he or Martinez would be a necessary addition to the middle of the line up and so much better than the platoon bat options.

    So every player that has won a World Series in a team sport is a great teammate?

    I am just suggesting that Lopez would have the skinny on him and doubtless would at least be contacted by the FO before doing a deal.

    Just like Lopez is reported to be close to his former teammate and fellow Venezuelan Luzardo.

    14 minutes ago, SteveLV said:

    So every player that has won a World Series in a team sport is a great teammate?

    I am just suggesting that Lopez would have the skinny on him and doubtless would at least be contacted by the FO before doing a deal.

    Just like Lopez is reported to be close to his former teammate and fellow Venezuelan Luzardo.

    No, not every player that has won a World Series is a great teammate but why is this a huge factor? If it's such a big concern why aren't people asking about Adam Duvall or Whit Merrifield's abilities to lead a clubhouse. I'm not saying he's a great teammate because I don't personally know him but it's not like he's Trevor Bauer or something... I just don't understand why people in the comments are insistent about questioning his ability as a leader while simultaneously assuming the other guys mentioned are "clubhouse guys"

    This isn't intended at you at all either, I understand that you were just mentioning that they should consult their former Marlin on whether or not they should kick the tires on him, which is obviously a good move. There have just been a ton of weird comments questioning Soler's ability to lead that have me scratching my head.

    I just don't put too much stock into the clubhouse leader thing. Josh Donaldson was thought to be a battle-tested vet with a chip on his shoulder and it just turned out he was kind of a scumbag... I think every clubhouse is different and molded by the crew that they have in there with their established culture. I think the Twins have a really good one, but I just think the idea of filling your roster with "clubhouse guys" is a bit overplayed.

    Again, want to emphasize that this is in no way me talking bad about your idea or thought process, I just had to hold a mini-rant there on the subject. In conclusion, sign Jorge Soler and become a better team!

    23 hours ago, Muppet said:

    If they are keeping Kepler and Soler never has to play right field, then yes. Do it. 

    No. Soler is a terrible DH. Since the start of 2021, he has over 1000 PAs as a DH and sports a wRC+ of 97 with an OPS+ of 98.

    1000 PAs is not a SSS issue. It's a trend. 

    5 minutes ago, Minny505 said:

    No. Soler is a terrible DH. Since the start of 2021, he has over 1000 PAs as a DH and sports a wRC+ of 97 with an OPS+ of 98.

    1000 PAs is not a SSS issue. It's a trend. 

    According to Fangraphs Soler has a wRC+ of 129 as a DH.  What is your source?

    Season Position BB%
     
     
    K%
     
     
    BB/K
     
     
    AVG
     
     
    OBP
     
     
    SLG
     
     
    OPS
     
     
    ISO
     
     
    BABIP
     
     
    wRC
     
     
    wRAA
     
     
    wOBA
     
     
    wRC+
     
     
    Total as LF 10.8% 27.4% 0.39 .216 .304 .401 .705 .185 .261 49 -2.3 .307 93
    Total as RF 9.5% 26.3% 0.36 .245 .321 .438 .759 .194 .298 199 12.7 .326 102
    Total as DH 11.2% 26.6% 0.42 .251 .346 .523 .869 .272 .287 229 56.4 .365 129
    Total as PH 18.8% 35.4% 0.53 .205 .354 .410 .764 .205 .300 7 0.8 .339 114

    I never truly understand how "Clubhouse Leader" is ever typed by us mere mortals.

    We have never stepped into a clubhouse to see for ourselves. 

    If we had the opportunity to step into a clubhouse to see for ourselves... one day of observation would amount to worthless.   

    Even those who are in the clubhouse every day will have a hard time condensing into words what players bring psychologically to an overall unit because it takes two to tango or 26 to build a birds nest. The overall result of the leadership of one person is dependent upon on each of the 25 players react INDIVIDAULLY to the conditions, How they react would have individual variation as vast as each individual involved. Some players tolerate, some players don't and how can that ever be expressed. 

    And even if it could be expressed publicly... It's not expressed.

    Players as a common sense rule don't throw other players under the bus publicly.

    Those who do throw players under the bus publicly for being a bad teammate... it says almost as much about the player disclosing the dirty laundry as the one creating the dirty laundry. 

     

    18 minutes ago, Riverbrian said:

    I never truly understand how "Clubhouse Leader" is ever typed by us mere mortals.

    We have never stepped into a clubhouse to see for ourselves. 

    If we had the opportunity to step into a clubhouse to see for ourselves... one day of observation would amount to worthless.   

    Even those who are in the clubhouse every day will have a hard time condensing into words what players bring psychologically to an overall unit because it takes two to tango or 26 to build a birds nest. The overall result of the leadership of one person is dependent upon on each of the 25 players react INDIVIDAULLY to the conditions, How they react would have individual variation as vast as each individual involved. Some players tolerate, some players don't and how can that ever be expressed. 

    And even if it could be expressed publicly... It's not expressed.

    Players as a common sense rule don't throw other players under the bus publicly.

    Those who do throw players under the bus publicly for being a bad teammate... it says almost as much about the player disclosing the dirty laundry as the one creating the dirty laundry. 

     

    Exactly. It's just weird to me the obsession with adding "clubhouse guys". Yes, the Nelson Cruz signing was great, but was it great because he was a good leader or because he clubbed 41 home runs in 2019 and finished top 10 in MVP voting in 2019 and 2020? He was likely a good leader but was also really good on the field which resulted in his greatest contributions to the Twins.

    It's obvious that you want good team players whenever possible. You don't want to sign a guy that's hated by everyone, but what a rare occurrence that is. Good teams need guys who are just good baseball players regardless of whether they are phenomenal leaders or just soft spoken followers. This is why I think this narrative is silly and overplayed.

    37 minutes ago, Major League Ready said:

    According to Fangraphs Soler has a wRC+ of 129 as a DH.  What is your source?

    Season Position BB%
     
     
    K%
     
     
    BB/K
     
     
    AVG
     
     
    OBP
     
     
    SLG
     
     
    OPS
     
     
    ISO
     
     
    BABIP
     
     
    wRC
     
     
    wRAA
     
     
    wOBA
     
     
    wRC+
     
     
    Total as LF 10.8% 27.4% 0.39 .216 .304 .401 .705 .185 .261 49 -2.3 .307 93
    Total as RF 9.5% 26.3% 0.36 .245 .321 .438 .759 .194 .298 199 12.7 .326 102
    Total as DH 11.2% 26.6% 0.42 .251 .346 .523 .869 .272 .287 229 56.4 .365 129
    Total as PH 18.8% 35.4% 0.53 .205 .354 .410 .764 .205 .300 7 0.8 .339 114

    In trying to recreate the leaderboard I based that original statement on, it looks like you're not wrong about me being wrong. Whoops😳 Appreciate you checking on my work.

    My Fangraphs filter turned off the positional split at some point while narrowing down all the other factors.

    His wRC+ as a DH since 2021 is an even 120.

    I'm now curious where your 129 came from. Is that for his career?

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    1 hour ago, Hunter McCall said:

    Exactly. It's just weird to me the obsession with adding "clubhouse guys". Yes, the Nelson Cruz signing was great, but was it great because he was a good leader or because he clubbed 41 home runs in 2019 and finished top 10 in MVP voting in 2019 and 2020? He was likely a good leader but was also really good on the field which resulted in his greatest contributions to the Twins.

    It's obvious that you want good team players whenever possible. You don't want to sign a guy that's hated by everyone, but what a rare occurrence that is. Good teams need guys who are just good baseball players regardless of whether they are phenomenal leaders or just soft spoken followers. This is why I think this narrative is silly and overplayed.

    When it comes to Nelson Cruz... the only thing that I can say.

    That guy can hit. 

    When it comes to chemistry... Just look at the 26 people in your office and the different personalities that come with each of those 26 people.

    Does everybody like everybody? Are there any cliques? Can you tell a dirty joke to this individual but not to that individual? Is the person who can't handle the dirty joke good in the clubhouse? Is the person telling the dirty joke good in the clubhouse?

    Our own work environments are incredibly complicated when we view them up close and to the heart. Yet we sit here miles away and make declarations on who is a clubhouse guy!

    I'll never understand that. 

    The leadership nonsense is something I may have started.

    I wrote about Martinez and compared him to Cruz but my parallel was the elite work ethic that has helped them to defy aging curves. Somehow that turned into mostly a clubhouse focus. I wrote how they both had their best years and most all star appearances in their 30s. It is possible that this work ethic might have a positive impact on the clubhouse but probably not worth debating. My initial point was that Martinez has a good chance of exceeding projections as Cruz did later in his career due to his work ethic. His bat and whether it can help the Twins in the middle of the lineup is worth debating.

    4 minutes ago, jorgenswest said:

    The leadership nonsense is something I may have started.

    I wrote about Martinez and compared him to Cruz but my parallel was the elite work ethic that has helped them to defy aging curves. Somehow that turned into mostly a clubhouse focus. I wrote how they both had their best years and most all star appearances in their 30s. It is possible that this work ethic might have a positive impact on the clubhouse but probably not worth debating. My initial point was that Martinez has a good chance of exceeding projections as Cruz did later in his career due to his work ethic. His bat and whether it can help the Twins in the middle of the lineup is worth debating.

    Yes, I remember your original comment and I don't think it particularly is the reasoning for the debate! I understand your point and don't directly tie it to the clubhouse argument. You're absolutely right that sometimes there are guys who defy the typical aging ball player. But, as I mentioned, Father Time tends to bite everyone all the same. Betting on Martinez to continue his success I think is scarier than betting on Soler at his age.

    Even if you did start the debate, it certainly brings about many different viewpoints that I always enjoy reading so I appreciate your comment!

    12 minutes ago, Hunter McCall said:

    Yes, I remember your original comment and I don't think it particularly is the reasoning for the debate! I understand your point and don't directly tie it to the clubhouse argument. You're absolutely right that sometimes there are guys who defy the typical aging ball player. But, as I mentioned, Father Time tends to bite everyone all the same. Betting on Martinez to continue his success I think is scarier than betting on Soler at his age.

    Even if you did start the debate, it certainly brings about many different viewpoints that I always enjoy reading so I appreciate your comment!

    I have confidence that Soler or Martinez would be a needed addition to the middle of the line up. My only preference for Martinez is I think he might take a one year commitment which I would prefer to three for Soler. Go hard after both and get one of them.

    9 minutes ago, jorgenswest said:

    I have confidence that Soler or Martinez would be a needed addition to the middle of the line up. My only preference for Martinez is I think he might take a one year commitment which I would prefer to three for Soler. Go hard after both and get one of them.

    100% agree. If they don't get Soler, Martinez is my 1B to Soler's 1A. I prefer Soler due to his age and positional flexibility (it's been well documented he's not a good fielder but at least he's an option). Both can hit though which is the key.

    Edited by Hunter McCall

    Well, I am sure most have played team sports in our lives.  There are good teammates, ok teammates, and lousy ones.

    My point is that it is a FACTOR in making a signing or trade decision.  It is not the end-all be-all, but it certainly is a factor.

    No one wants to play with Bauer, apparently. Objectively, the guy can pitch.  But no one has signed him the last 2 seasons.

    There is a reason for that, including PR.

    6 hours ago, Minny505 said:

    In trying to recreate the leaderboard I based that original statement on, it looks like you're not wrong about me being wrong. Whoops😳 Appreciate you checking on my work.

    My Fangraphs filter turned off the positional split at some point while narrowing down all the other factors.

    His wRC+ as a DH since 2021 is an even 120.

    I'm now curious where your 129 came from. Is that for his career?

     

    Yes.  I just clicked on career splits instead of year by year.

    7 hours ago, Hunter McCall said:

    No, not every player that has won a World Series is a great teammate but why is this a huge factor? If it's such a big concern why aren't people asking about Adam Duvall or Whit Merrifield's abilities to lead a clubhouse. I'm not saying he's a great teammate because I don't personally know him but it's not like he's Trevor Bauer or something... I just don't understand why people in the comments are insistent about questioning his ability as a leader while simultaneously assuming the other guys mentioned are "clubhouse guys"

    This isn't intended at you at all either, I understand that you were just mentioning that they should consult their former Marlin on whether or not they should kick the tires on him, which is obviously a good move. There have just been a ton of weird comments questioning Soler's ability to lead that have me scratching my head.

    I just don't put too much stock into the clubhouse leader thing. Josh Donaldson was thought to be a battle-tested vet with a chip on his shoulder and it just turned out he was kind of a scumbag... I think every clubhouse is different and molded by the crew that they have in there with their established culture. I think the Twins have a really good one, but I just think the idea of filling your roster with "clubhouse guys" is a bit overplayed.

    Again, want to emphasize that this is in no way me talking bad about your idea or thought process, I just had to hold a mini-rant there on the subject. In conclusion, sign Jorge Soler and become a better team!

    I think those questioning clubhouse behavior for Soler isn't that he should be a leader, but remember how early in his career he was said to have anger issues and was criticized for not running out grounders and not putting his all into the team. Also, they remember how Josh Donaldson's contribution on the clubhouse was not that good. Clubhouse behavior is important. So, it's a fair question. 

    I am totally supportive of a Solar signing, I assume he has matured and has become a good teammate. But, it does not hurt to check.

    Gurriel would have been better for the same price. But Soler mashing in LF is better than what we have now.

    But since we have now signed the aging Santana to platoon at 1B, I don't  see this or ANY LF masher being acquired.

    CF will be fine with Castro & Martin regardless of what Buxton is able to do.

    So a LF masher is needed more than anything (outside of a #2 SP) .  But alas will not happen now that we have signed Santana to platoon at 1B.

    Sigh.




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