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    Dozier’s Days Numbered, Then What?


    Ted Schwerzler

    Despite sweeping the hapless Baltimore Orioles, and then taking a series from the equally terrible Kansas City Royals, the Minnesota Twins are still trending towards being sellers in 2018. With a couple more weeks before the July 31 non-waiver trade deadline, Derek Falvey and Thad Levine are coming down to crunch time in terms of stockpiling assets. Minnesota doesn’t have much in the form of big pieces, Kyle Gibson and Eduardo Escobar potentially chief among those, but arguably the most intriguing name remains Brian Dozier.

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    A late-bloomer, Dozier didn’t reach the big leagues until 25, and he was initially cast as a shortstop. We saw how that went, and he was quickly sent over to second base. Fast forward two more years, and the 28 year-old was a first time All-Star while being arguably the best power-hitting two-bagger in the sport. Since then, he’s won a Gold Glove and picked up progressing numbers of MVP votes each season. 2018 has hardly been a great start for the Twins star, but it follows along the same path he has blazed plenty of times to this point.

    Now well into July, Dozier is beginning to do Brian-like things, and his second half surge appears to have started. Despite just a .732 OPS on the season, he’s got a .905 mark across his last 21 games. If you shrink the sample size down to just the month of July, Brian is hitting .317/.378/.683 with seven extra-base hits (four home runs) across 11 games. In short, it’s a great time for him to be going well.

    After being the subject of trade talks two winters ago, Minnesota wisely decided that their premium player was worth more than the Jose De Leon return that the Dodgers were willing to part with. Forget that De Leon has since undergone Tommy John surgery after being traded to the Rays, I’m still not convinced Minnesota can’t get an equal or better package at this point. Manny Machado will be the cream of the crop come trading season, but Dozier is capable of being a big get up the middle for a team looking to make a postseason push.

    Concerning the Twins however, Paul Molitor will be tasked with filling his position in the field, as well as the gaping hole in the lineup. From where I stand, I can see only two options in how to handle the days post-Brian Dozier. In my mind, only one of them is right, but that doesn’t necessarily make it any more likely. Let’s explore:

    Option A: It’s Nick Gordon Time

    In dealing Dozier, the Twins essentially wave the white flag on their season. While they could be sellers and pivot as they did a year ago, moving one of their best players is something you wouldn’t expect to come back from. In operating this way, the focus needs to turn from winning games, into focusing on process for 2019.

    Given the expectation that Nick Gordon will become the Twins second basemen of the future, getting him up to the big leagues, and acclimated, should be of the utmost importance. He’s scuffled mightily at Triple-A Rochester, posting an OPS just north of .600. I really don’t care about his production however. He dominated at Double-A, and there’s been some questions surrounding his bat ever since he was drafted. Allowing him to get in the field, settle into a new role, and get used to the rigors of big league baseball is a must. The more high-end pitching he faces now, the less of a learning curve there should be expected in the season ahead.

    The core of Byron Buxton, Miguel Sano, Jose Berrios, Max Kepler, and Eddie Rosario will ultimately determine what this team can accomplish in the next few years. As veterans step aside however, the graduation of top prospects such as Gordon, will need to go smoothly to fill in. Now is not the time to worry about starting his clock or whether he’s going to step in and be all-systems-go right away. Get young Flash in there, and take what you can into the offseason to work on.

    Option B: Utility All Over

    Ehire Adrianza was recently activated from the disabled list, and returns to the Twins having had a nice little hot streak before landing on the shelf. He was going to lose his starting role at SS when Jorge Polanco returned regardless, but now there isn’t a clear avenue to playing time.

    Minnesota has pushed Adrianza out into the outfield at times over his tenure here, but he’s yet to play second base this season (in part because Dozier has been there for 89/90 games). Should Minnesota go this route, Adrianza likely becomes the starter at second. Polanco would stay at short, as it’s his long-term home, and Eduardo Escobar remains at the hot corner.

    In operating this way, the Twins would really be up a creek without a paddle. Adrianza doesn’t figure into the future plans, and they’d be past the point of prioritizing wins. Unfortunately, it’s hard to not see this as a likely scenario, given how much run players like Ryan LaMarre and Bobby Wilson have been given.

    At the end of the day the hope should be that if the Twins do sell, and most importantly regarding Brian Dozier, the position is turned over to the man in waiting. Stephen Gonsalves, John Curtiss, Trevor May, and a handful of other players should make their way up from Triple-A, but Gordon must be chief among them.

    Once a team has decided to close shop on a given season, making sure to learn something and get the most out of every game from a development standpoint needs to be the focus. Selling off assets and failing to capitalize on opportunity- allowing process and ability to drive results could very well have the Twins staring at the next big prospects to be sent back down in hopes of figuring it out.


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    Red Sox or maybe Rockies? Moustakas trade really threw me

     

    It will be interesting to be able to compare what Dozier brings back and what Escobar brought back. 

     

    Position Flexibility vs. the 2B only guy

    Current Season numbers vs. Career season Numbers

     

     

    It will be interesting to be able to compare what Dozier brings back and what Escobar brought back. 

     

    Position Flexibility vs. the 2B only guy

    Current Season numbers vs. Career season Numbers

    The Twins should have been in on the Phillies deal. I think Dozier would have been a better option for them.

     

    You'd think but Moustakas going to the Brewers may force Shaw to shift to 2B. 

     

    Whose left? Red Sox? 

    From what I read today, that's what the Brewers are planning to do. Too bad. I had thought Milwaukee was the most likely landing place for Dozier. Now, I'm wondering if we'll end up having to unload him on a waiver deal  next month, if at all.

     

    The Twins should have been in on the Phillies deal. I think Dozier would have been a better option for them.

     

    The position flexibility of Cabrera made him a better fit and that is probably why Escobar was the rumored guy to Philadelphia. 

     

    The Phillies could use upgrades at both SS and 2B but perhaps more so at SS.

     

    If I was the Phillies I wouldn't stop at Cabrera. I'd still be talking to teams about another infielder. 

    The position flexibility of Cabrera made him a better fit and that is probably why Escobar was the rumored guy to Philadelphia. 

     

    The Phillies could use upgrades at both SS and 2B but perhaps more so at SS.

     

    If I was the Phillies I wouldn't stop at Cabrera. I'd still be talking to teams about another infielder.

     

    I am biased by watching several Mets games the last two years. I can’t imagine Cabrera anywhere other than 2B at this point. He has no lateral movement so it doesn’t work at 2B either but the shorter throw allows him to play deeper and gives him more time to go side to side.

     

    You are right though. Hernandez is a 2B only. Cabrera played shortstop some last year (poorly according to metric). Awful metrics at 2B this year. Bad deal for Phillies but Dozier was not a fit.

    Does anyone feel like it is Dozier and Duke to the Red Sox for someone higher up in their system?  They could use a true second baseman just for the defensive upgrade if nothing else and Dozier can also hit the ball in the seats which is nice to have come playoff time.

     

    The Red Sox as we have heard ad nauseum don't have a left handed reliever so seems like Duke would be a good match there.  

     

    I think the only reason Dozier and Duke haven't been traded yet is they are waiting for this series to end and then announce the trade.

     

    Why else would Milwaukee have given up on Dozier unless the price was too high for them.  Some other team must have paid more in prospects than they were willing to.  I think the Red Sox are the team that will get Dozier.

    Edited by Dman

    Back to then what...

     

    I don’t think the Twins should plan on Gordon being ready opening day next year. I would hope for June 1 giving him two months to show that he has command of the AAA strike zone.

     

    Assuming Dozier is moved, I would use Polanco at 2B and Adrianza at SS the last two months. I guess I would bring up Petit to back them up.

     

    An out of the box move would be to play Rosario at 2B and add Wade to play LF.

    Dozier to Boston makes sense but you can't do it until Sunday afternoon. The middle infield then becomes Adrianza and Polanco this year and probably next while we wait to see if and when Gordon is ready. The UTL can be a vet we pick up; those guys aren't that hard to find. Even better, we sign Escobar back in the off season and he's a super utility guy who gets 500 ABs at 3B, DH, 2B and an occasional SS.

     

    I actually kind of like this approach. Adrianza has played in 140 games over the last two years going into last night's game with a .258/.309/.377 slash line and a total of 2WAR. He's played like a solid MLB starting SS and the combo of Adrianza at SS and Polanco at 2B is a defensive upgrade over Polanco at SS and Dozier at 2B and a HUGH defensive upgrade over Escobar at SS and Dozier at 2B. We lose Dozier's power so there will be fewer solo HRs at low leverage moments but I'm willing to live with that.

     

    I kind of hope that this is the plan.

    why are you shouting at Hugh? What did Hugh do to you? :) Edited by Sconnie

    Problem with Boston is that they don't have a good system. Both of those guys we got from Houston would be in their top 10. I don't think the return for Dozier would be all that good if Boston is the destination. Duke might make more sense going to Boston, but I'd hope there's a team with a deeper farm that's interested in Dozier.

     

    Problem with Boston is that they don't have a good system. Both of those guys we got from Houston would be in their top 10. I don't think the return for Dozier would be all that good if Boston is the destination. Duke might make more sense going to Boston, but I'd hope there's a team with a deeper farm that's interested in Dozier.

     

    How do you feel about Mata or Hernandez as the headliner and Flores or Northcut as the other piece?  We are talking just two months for Duke and Dozier.

     

    I don't see Dozier going anywhere. I don't see much value coming back for him and unfortunately might have to bite the bullet here on this one. I wonder if they missed their chance by trying to wait out the Brewers...

     Yep the MLB site agrees you.  Their quote is below.

     

    "Two prime Brian Dozier landing spots came off the board when the #Dbacks picked up Escobar and #Brewers traded for Moustakas. #RedSox have been mentioned as a possibility because of Pedroia's health, but Boston's focus remains the bullpen. Dozier to Boston "highly unlikely.''

     

    I guess the FO just couldn't get a return they could live with.  Very surprised then that the Brewers went with Moustakas as his and Doziers stats were not that different and Dozier typically heats up about now and he actually plays a good second base which the Brewers could use.

     

    Maybe the Twins thought they could get them to overpay.  Not sure what happened there but I have to believe they couldn't see eye to eye on Doziers value. 

     

    Maybe something gets worked out yet but it seems a bit grim at this point.

    If the Twins think Dozier is going to test the market no matter what, we could make him a qualifying offer without too much risk. Then we either get a draft pick if/when he signs elsewhere, or we get an advantage in negotiations to bring him back for 2019 (by virtue of being the only club that wouldn't have to forfeit a pick to sign him). Obviously him changing his mind and taking the QO would be a risk too.

     

    If the Twins think Dozier is going to test the market no matter what, we could make him a qualifying offer without too much risk. Then we either get a draft pick if/when he signs elsewhere, or we get an advantage in negotiations to bring him back for 2019 (by virtue of being the only club that wouldn't have to forfeit a pick to sign him). Obviously him changing his mind and taking the QO would be a risk too.

     

    Unless Dozier goes nuts again, starting soon, there is no way the Twins would make a QO. He's going to be a relatively low-cost free agent signing . . . the Twins couldn't even get anything for him in his prime, his value right now is marginal.

    Unless Dozier goes nuts again, starting soon, there is no way the Twins would make a QO. He's going to be a relatively low-cost free agent signing . . . the Twins couldn't even get anything for him in his prime, his value right now is marginal.

    Sure. I was coming from the premise that Dozier might be determined to hit the open market, maybe strengthened by his disapproval of yesterday's trade? As I noted, the risk would be him changing his mind, and that would be influenced by his finish.

     

    With Escobar and Pressly gone, Dozier is a lock to be traded right?

     

    why? Escobar has no starting position with Sano back.....and Pressley is a RP. 

     

    Sure, I wouldn't be surprised if he is traded, but I don't see how trading those two players is punting this season like others do.

    why? Escobar has no starting position with Sano back.....and Pressley is a RP.

     

    Sure, I wouldn't be surprised if he is traded, but I don't see how trading those two players is punting this season like others do.

    I don’t see trading Dozier as punting either. Relief pitchers are fungible. Infield tandem of Polanco 2B Adrianza SS probably yields a better hitting and fielding combo than Dozier/Polanco. Added bonus, Adrianza covers more ground to help with Sano’s Lack of lateral mobility too.

     

    Dozier can still provide some prospect assets and no way is he getting a QO anyways... trading him now is win/win

    why? Escobar has no starting position with Sano back.....and Pressley is a RP.

     

    Sure, I wouldn't be surprised if he is traded, but I don't see how trading those two players is punting this season like others do.

    Sano is back BECAUSE Escobar was traded. Escobar wasn’t traded to make room. If all they wanted to do was make room they would have rid themselves of Morrison, not one of the most productive hitters on the team. Teams that are trying to win don’t trade their best players away. Other than the Twins (see 2001) of course.

    I don’t see trading Dozier as punting either. Relief pitchers are fungible. Infield tandem of Polanco 2B Adrianza SS probably yields a better hitting and fielding combo than Dozier/Polanco. Added bonus, Adrianza covers more ground to help with Sano’s Lack of lateral mobility too.

     

    Dozier can still provide some prospect assets and no way is he getting a QO anyways... trading him now is win/win

    I dont think replacing Dozier with Adrianza will result in a more productive infield.

     

    I dont think "relief pitchers are fungible" is accurate either, BTW.

    I dont think "relief pitchers are fungible" is accurate either, BTW.

    It's probably not an accurate use of the economics terminology, but to me the idea that it gets across is that you'll less often see a snag when trying to deal/acquire an average reliever because of (say) handedness or arm slot, but if you're shopping around your average second baseman (ditto shortstop, ditto third base) there's a greater chance that an otherwise promising trade partner just doesn't have a need for that specific skill-set.

     

    Star players are a different story. By no means are those interchangeable in any practical sense - if you acquire one of those, you potentially move your existing players around to fit.

    I dont think replacing Dozier with Adrianza will result in a more productive infield.

     

    I dont think "relief pitchers are fungible" is accurate either, BTW.

    I guess we’ll agree to disagree.

     

    Something to consider - Pressly was a rule 5 draftee. Most MLB relievers are drafted as starters. Most relievers have very good years, or very good stretches, but only a handful are very good year after year.

     

    In my mind relievers are to be churned through as a consumptive commodity. One that gets purchased in bulk and you sift through and decide who’s a starter, who’s a reliever, who’s on the AAAA Rochester express, and who’s minor league fodder.

     

    I feel pretty good that they’ll find another Pressly or two soon.

    Edited by Sconnie

    It's probably not an accurate use of the economics terminology, but to me the idea that it gets across is that you'll less often see a snag when trying to deal/acquire an average reliever because of (say) handedness or arm slot, but if you're shopping around your average second baseman (ditto shortstop, ditto third base) there's a greater chance that an otherwise promising trade partner just doesn't have a need for that specific skill-set.

     

    Star players are a different story. By no means are those interchangeable in any practical sense - if you acquire one of those, you potentially move your existing players around to fit.

    exactly! And there’s 11-12 pitchers in Rochester and 11-12 pitchers in Chattanooga, odds are you’ll find a guy or two of 22-24 that surprises you. There’s one 2nd baseman at each. You have to manage the position player pool differently.

    The days zeroed out. Great question... then what?

     

    I don’t want to see the Twins audition Forsythe. They would be auditioning him for all 30 with little to gain. A waiver wire deal isn’t as likely someone can just claim and block if he is looking that good. A month of his salary isn’t that significant and we have seen what secondbasemen are worth.

     

    Let’s see a lot of Adrianza. I would suggest at SS with Polanco at 2B.

     

    If not Adrianza, I would rather see Rosario at 2B than Forsythe. It would be a huge plays to have Rosario’s offense at that position. Can he turn a DP adequately?

    Edited by jorgenswest



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