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    4 Off-the Radar Pitching Trade Targets for the Twins


    Nick Nelson

    Free agency is clearly an avenue the Twins need to explore this offseason in their efforts to upgrade the rotation. The financial flexibility is there, with plenty of impact talent to be had. But if the American League's recent history is any indication, it is the trade market that's most instrumental to building a championship-caliber rotation.

    What opportunities await Minnesota on this front?

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    The Astros have assembled a two-headed monster atop their rotation through trades, acquiring both Justin Verlander and Gerrit Cole. Last year's World Series champs, the Red Sox, landed their ace Chris Sale in a deal with Chicago. Boston's 2016 Cy Young winner Rick Porcello was also a trade pickup, but that year it was Cleveland winning the AL pennant, led by trade acquisitions Corey Kluber, Carlos Carrasco, and Trevor Bauer. Previously, James Shields pitched the Royals into a World Series after coming over from Tampa.

    Free agents and internally developed talent have played a part too, of course, but it's fair to say that trades have been massively influential in building the rotations that are running the league over the past half-decade.

    In the 2020 Offseason Handbook (now available for preorder!), Jeremy Nygaard presents cases for 16 different players (mostly starting pitchers) the Twins could target via trade in the coming months. There are plenty of logical names on his list, and I'm sure we'll be hearing several of them discussed repeatedly as the offseason gets underway.

    Today, I'm going to dig a little deeper and highlight four players who aren't on his list, and aren't being mentioned much in connection with the Twins generally. It might be a stretch to believe some of these players are available (particularly the last one), but then again, if there's a will there's a way.

    4 OUTSIDE-THE-BOX TWINS ROTATION TARGETS

    Chris Paddack, RHP

    Team: Padres

    2019 Stats: 146 IP, 3.33 ERA, 0.98 WHIP, 9.8 K/9, 2.0 BB/9

    Contract Status: Under team control through 2024

    Most of the names covered here will be established veteran players, whose value lies in their immediate and short-term impact potential. Paddack, conversely, is more of a big-picture target – the kind that jibes with this front office's thinking. He was ranked by MLB.com as the 34th-best prospect in baseball ahead of the 2019 campaign, and dubbed by Prospects Live as a future ace. Paddack looked the part as a 23-year-old rookie for the Padres, posting those numbers you see above.

    You might read those numbers, in combination with the five remaining years of team control, and ask, "Why on Earth would San Diego even think about trading this guy?" It's a fair question. Fresh off signing Manny Machado to a $300 million mega-deal, the Padres are not in the business of shipping off key pieces and rebuilding endlessly.

    Thing is, even with Machado, they still finished in last place in 2019 with one of the league's least potent offenses – both familiar scenarios. Despite routinely sporting solid-to-great pitching staffs, the Padres can't escape the NL West cellar, in large part because they haven't had a 700-run season in more than a decade. They need offensive firepower, and with Machado and Eric Hosmer consuming a huge portion of payroll for the next many years, they need it at controllable cost. The Twins can help in that area.

    Start with Royce Lewis, Alex Kirilloff, or Byron Buxton. Perhaps even dangle Max Kepler and his highly attractive contract, if the Padres demand proven production and durability. Throw in another top-tier prospect or two and you've got a valid offer for Paddack at the very least. The price will hurt, but he could be a franchise-altering addition for the Twins.

    Sonny Gray, RHP

    Team: Reds

    2019 Stats: 175.1 IP, 2.87 ERA, 1.08 WHIP, 10.5 K/9, 3.5 BB/9

    Contract Status: Signed through 2022 ($10M/yr) w/ $12M option in 2023

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    Formerly a young rotation-fronter for the A's, Gray took a major step back from 2016 through 2018, posting a 4.59 ERA and 1.38 WHIP during a three-year period that included a tumultuous stint in New York. The Yankees dealt him to Cincinnati in January with his value depressed, and the deal proved to be a coup for the Reds. In the National League, Gray returned to form and then some.

    He posted a career-high strikeout rate, made the All-Star team, and held opponents to a .196 batting average (.165 in the second half). Best of all, he remains under control at a reasonable rate for three more years. Yep, the Reds did quite well for themselves, and now they could complete the act by selling high after buying low.

    Cincinnati's 26-year-old rotation centerpiece, Luis Castillo, probably isn't going anywhere, but the club might be open to listening on the historically volatile Gray, who has three (cost-efficient) years left on his deal. He underwent arthroscopic elbow surgery in September, which adds to his uncertainty. The operation was considered minor, and if he continues to pitch like he did this year, the righty makes a quality complement to Berrios afront the rotation, while also leaving plenty of flexibility to commit big dollars to a top free agent who can slot ahead of them.

    Gray won't come cheap in prospect capital. If Eddie Rosario is in the package, it's as no more than an add-on. You'll need to be ready to part with good young talent to sway the Reds, who will surely have multiple bidders if they make Gray available. Kirilloff or Trevor Larnach might need to be in play.

    Chris Archer, RHP

    Team: Pirates

    2019 Stats: 119.2 IP, 5.19 ERA, 1.41 WHIP, 10.8 K/9, 4.1 BB/9

    Contract Status: Club options for 2020 ($9M) and 2021 ($11M)

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    Whereas the Twins would be buying high on Gray, the opposite is true of Archer. Pittsburgh gave up big prospect talent to acquire him from Tampa in July of 2018, and the move has been nothing short of disastrous for them. Tyler Glasnow and Austin Meadows, whom the Pirates gave up in the swap, are emerging as young stars for the Rays. Archer has been sub-mediocre for Pittsburgh. A cautionary tale for a team like the Twins, to be sure.

    But Archer's still got some game in him, provided he can get past the shoulder inflammation that shut him down in September. At 31, he's far from ancient. He still brings heat in the mid-90s regularly, with a dirty slider, and struck out 27% of the batters he faced in 2019. (Michael Pineda led Twins starters at 23%.) I'd be curious to see what Wes Johnson and Company could do with him.

    Much like Gray, Archer has a very appealing contract, with two years of optional control at below-market rates. Unlike Gray, he likely wouldn't cost one of Minnesota's most coveted prospects. You'll have to do enough to entice Pittsburgh, naturally, but coming off a last-place finish the Pirates should be open-minded.

    Clayton Kershaw, LHP

    Team: Dodgers

    2019 Stats: 178.1 IP, 3.03 ERA, 1.04 WHIP, 9.5 K/9, 2.1 BB/9

    Contract Status: Signed through 2021 ($31M/yr)

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    Okay. This one may seem like a reach. A healthy Clayton Kershaw has an argument as the best pitcher in the game, and maybe in modern history. He's already a Hall of Fame lock at age 31. And the championship-thirsty Dodgers have him under control for another two years. Would Los Angeles even dream of listening on this legendary southpaw?

    Maybe not. Probably not. But hear me out. The Dodgers have one sole aspiration that overrides all else: winning a World Series. The franchise hasn't hoisted a trophy since the Kirk Gibson Series in 1988. It's not for a lack of spending or trying. They've gone to the playoffs seven straight years, and continually come up empty in their quest. Despite the unparalleled excellence of Kershaw over this entire span, they just keep on falling short.

    And as weird as it is to say for an eight-time All-Star, three-time Cy Young winner, former MVP, etc.: Kershaw has himself been somewhat culpable. His body hasn't held up of late, as he's missed time in each of the past four seasons (albeit never hugely significant time). More pertinently, he has failed to match his regular-season dominance in October, and most recently he gave up back-to-back homers in the most crucial of Game 5 spots to effectively punch LA's ticket for an early exit in the NLDS.

    No one is gonna be fooled by this unfortunate blip, or by Kershaw's "career-worst" season (quotes added to emphasize the relativity of this statement), into thinking he's anything less than a premier starting pitcher in the game. The cost to acquire him would be off-the-charts – we're probably talking Royce Lewis and Alex Kirilloff, as a starting point.

    But, I dunno. if you're the Dodgers, and you have a chance to make that deal while reinvesting Kershaw's salary into signing Gerrit Cole or Stephen Strasburg... don't you do it? And if you're the Twins, ready to push your chips in, confident in your ability to develop more future stars... don't you do it?

    Kershaw is a legend in Los Angeles. Rightfully so. But the city's faith in him has to be at an all-time low right now. And the Dodgers are primed for a big shakeup of some sort this winter. They've been attempting to ride Kershaw to a championship unsuccessfully for a decade, and now might represent their last chance to recoup maximum value in a trade before he returns to free agency.

    The Twins would need to be supremely confident in Kershaw's ability to sustain ace-like performance, and keep his chronic back issues at bay. But if so, and the Dodgers are actually open to such an idea, this is an opportunity you can't pass up. Right?

    Share your thoughts in the comments and keep the discussion going by sharing your favorite outside-the-box pitching trade targets for the Twins. Why might they be available? What would it realistically take to acquire them?

    It's a good way to warm ourselves up for the 2020 Offseason Handbook, which those who preorder will receive this week!

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    Graterol has the potential to be better than all of them - yes.  This is not vintage Kershaw.  This is Kershaw on the down side of his career and no one knows how he will adapt.  I will take our player with huge upside.

     

    "has the potential" is about 10000x different than "is better than"......

     

    This is the first time I have regretted clicking on an article at Twins Daily. Paddack and Kershaw? You guys are way better than this.

    Sorry to hear that. Just trying to generate some fun discussion as we wait for the offseason to actually get started. If you want, you can submit some of your own names and rationales here in the comments. I bet people will be nicer to you even if they find 'em implausible!

     

    also John Gray from Colorado would be a good trade option. Colorado will want groundball pitchers back in a trade. So which Minor Leaguers do we have that do that? Enlow? Balazovich? And Tyler Wells maybe?

    I've heard his name mentioned a lot, but I guess I just don't see why the Rockies would trade Gray. They don't exactly come up with pitchers of his caliber often. 

     

    At some point, if you're too generous in grading "potential", it's not so meaningful. Graterol has promise, but he isn't quite Mackenzie Gore either, and it sure looks like Graterol is going to be limited to 140 IP max in 2020, which restricts his immediate utility to the Twins a bit.

     

    That said, I don't advocate trading him with reckless abandon either. But he's not untouchable.

     

    Have you heard the 140 IP limit "officially" referenced in relation to Graterol? Or just making that assumption based on past patterns? 

     

    (If the latter, I don't disagree with you, and I'd probably make a similar guess -- I'm just curious if there have been actual statements to that effect.)

     

     

     

     

    Archer is not going to move the needle that much on the rotation. His value is in chewing up innings while giving you a chance to win, but he's never been dominant. He's really only had one really good season (2015) and has gotten progressively worse every year since. he's a full year older than odorizzi, but in their 8 years in MLB they've been almost exactly as valuable. Archer pitches more innings, odorizzi is more effective in the innings he pitches. I think you have to look at someone like Archer as a pitcher who likely shores up the back end as a 4th starter and you're putting a lot of faith that Wes Johnson can work some magic with him to get more than that. The contract is fine, but are you going to get better results than what you might from an internal option?

     

     

     

    What if the Twins told him to go all out for 5 innings (like Odo seems to do), would he? could he? be better than Odo?

    I don't know the answer, but it seems like looking just a whip, his numbers might be worse because of those extra inning.

    He is not in my top few guys I would like, but I think for the right price he isn't a horrible idea.

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    Have you heard the 140 IP limit "officially" referenced in relation to Graterol? Or just making that assumption based on past patterns? 

     

    (If the latter, I don't disagree with you, and I'd probably make a similar guess -- I'm just curious if there have been actual statements to that effect.)

    No, I haven't seen anything official -- but I don't think they generally announce anything official about these things either. (And with good reason -- they don't want to box themselves in.)

     

    FWIW, while he didn't directly cite any sources, Lavelle recently wrote "Even if he’s stretched out to start next season, he would be on an innings limit":

     

    http://www.startribune.com/twins-thinking-aggressively-when-assessing-roster-needs-free-agent-market/562665252/

     

    Given his career to date, I'd be pretty surprised if Graterol exceeded 140 inning in 2020.

     

    No, I haven't seen anything official -- but I don't think they generally announce anything official about these things either. (And with good reason -- they don't want to box themselves in.)

     

    FWIW, while he didn't directly cite any sources, Lavelle recently wrote "Even if he’s stretched out to start next season, he would be on an innings limit":

     

    http://www.startribune.com/twins-thinking-aggressively-when-assessing-roster-needs-free-agent-market/562665252/

     

    Given his career to date, I'd be pretty surprised if Graterol exceeded 140 inning in 2020.

     

    While I agree it is unlikely he doesn't go much beyond that......there is no evidence of the Verducci effect being real.....and if Gaterol is healthy and a starter, he should pitch as many innings as they need him to. But, most teams are risk adverse by nature, and follow the rule to a large degree.

     

    Boston needs SP too. I don't think they'd throw in cash with Price unless they got some good prospects / cheap talent in return.

     

    And we have plenty of good prospects in the pipeline to trade. Boston definitely isn't getting rid of Price as a straight salary dump, but I think the Twins have the prospect capital and budget space to acquire him, sign a top FA pitcher and still keep the top end of the farm system in good shape. 

     

    No, I haven't seen anything official -- but I don't think they generally announce anything official about these things either. (And with good reason -- they don't want to box themselves in.)

     

    FWIW, while he didn't directly cite any sources, Lavelle recently wrote "Even if he’s stretched out to start next season, he would be on an innings limit":

     

    http://www.startribune.com/twins-thinking-aggressively-when-assessing-roster-needs-free-agent-market/562665252/

     

    Given his career to date, I'd be pretty surprised if Graterol exceeded 140 inning in 2020.

     

    Thanks. 

     

    So what might that look like? Good as he's looked, I don't think there's a realistic likelihood he starts in the major league rotation with only 5.1 IP in Rochester to date and 9.2 IP with the Twins, none of them in a start. I also don't want to see him start the season in the bullpen.

     

    So how about something like about 18+ so starts at Rochester, targeting about 100 IP? For context, he had 47.2 IP in 9 starts this year, so that's a smidge longer outings. (With the new 26th man on the roster full time, will teams still get to add a player for a DH. If so, I could see him using a start or so that way if the opportunity arises). And obviously, if he's pitching lights out and the need arises at the big club, you consider him in the context of your other options. 

     

    That takes you to around July 10-15. At that point, assuming he's earned it and the team is in contention, consider bringing him to the majors for the final 40 innings or so. If he hasn't or they aren't, go ahead and fill out the 140 or so with minor league starts.  

     

     

    San Diego’s rumored asking price for Kirby Yates (a reliever who probably doesn’t fit their window) was astronomically high so I have a hard time picturing them trading Paddack at all, much less for a palatable price. He’s very impressive but I wouldn’t trade Royce Lewis for him straight up personally.

     

    I just don’t see a fit for Kershaw and not sure I’d be interested if he were indeed available.

     

    The Reds seem to believe they’re on the cusp and their pitching coach has a long history with Sonny Gray. Not sure what would motivate them to trade him or at least not at an attractive price.

     

    Archer I find very intriguing. He flopped as soon as he left Tampa so maybe a return to an analytically savvy organization could help him bounce back. Pittsburgh is a bit of a **** show at the moment with the manager, pitching coach, GM and President all getting fired so now could be a great opportunity to make a low ball trade offer.

     

    Thanks. 

     

    So what might that look like? Good as he's looked, I don't think there's a realistic likelihood he starts in the major league rotation with only 5.1 IP in Rochester to date and 9.2 IP with the Twins, none of them in a start. I also don't want to see him start the season in the bullpen.

     

    So how about something like about 18+ so starts at Rochester, targeting about 100 IP? For context, he had 47.2 IP in 9 starts this year, so that's a smidge longer outings. (With the new 26th man on the roster full time, will teams still get to add a player for a DH. If so, I could see him using a start or so that way if the opportunity arises). And obviously, if he's pitching lights out and the need arises at the big club, you consider him in the context of your other options. 

     

    That takes you to around July 10-15. At that point, assuming he's earned it and the team is in contention, consider bringing him to the majors for the final 40 innings or so. If he hasn't or they aren't, go ahead and fill out the 140 or so with minor league starts.  

    That sounds about right.

     

    I'd like to see something like the Lance McCullers Jr. plan circa 2015 -- he's going to start in the minors, so just give him shorter starts and a lot of time between starts down there early in the season. If he's really good, bring him up -- but be ready to ease back on him as needed, maybe even sending him back down again for rest or putting him on the IL.

     

    I don't know if that's enough to keep him under 140 (McCullers finished with 164, including postseason), but we don't really need a firm 140 limit anyway.

     

    That said, given his health history (Graterol has already had TJ surgery, plus shoulder trouble), he may be on the IL enough -- or we may find ourselves backing off enough -- to keep him under 140 anyway.

     

    Yes and in this case I will take potential.  Kershaw and Price are on their downside.  I am betting on Graterol. 

    I would take a bet that Kershaw will be better than Graterol for at least the next 4 years, and Price the next two.

    It would take way more than Graterol to get Kershaw, but I would still bet the production of Kershaw or Graterol and the "way more" for two years. 

    Not sure what the price for Price is but I wouldn't trade Graterol for him, even though I think Price will be a more productive major league pitcher than him for the next two years.

    Twins will sign someone like Homer Bailey and trade for someone like Marco Gonzalez. That's about all we'll see added.

     

    I like buying low on Archer, but I don't think the Pirates will offer him up low enough.

     

    The other three will be too expensive in either prospects or actual money (Kershaw).

     

    I just won't believe in a splash until I see it.   What's the most salary the Twins have taken on in a trade?  I know they haven't ever spent more than $50 mill and change on an FA (Santana or Nolasco were the highest, IIRC).

    You never know if a trade can be made unless you propose it and work at it. (April 17, 1960 the Tigers trade Harvey Kuenn, 1959 AL batting champ, at .353  for Cleveland's Rocky Colavito, 1959 AL HR champ with 42 bombas). Who'd a thunk it? 

     

    This really sums up the problem in adding "impact" starting pitching. The good ones like Cole are 6 year/200m investments. Moreover, they aren't coming to Minnesota for the most part because of affinities elsewhere even if the Twins were willing to pay.  

    That's the problem in adding impact starting pitching via free agency. Which is the premise of this article! The Astros got Cole for 2 years and $20 million. The Red Sox got Sale for 3 years and $40 million before they extended him. Trades are where the value is found. 

     

    If you think 3 of the 4 guys in the article are nonstarters, I won't argue with you. You're probably right. But the point is that the Twins should aim high, and be open to giving up a "king's ransom" for the right player.

    That's the problem in adding impact starting pitching via free agency. Which is the premise of this article! The Astros got Cole for 2 years and $20 million. The Red Sox got Sale for 3 years and $40 million before they extended him. Trades are where the value is found. 

     

    If you think 3 of the 4 guys in the article are nonstarters, I won't argue with you. You're probably right. But the point is that the Twins should aim high, and be open to giving up a "king's ransom" for the right player.

     

    I absolutely agree with this, and the premise of the entire OP. And as I've stated a couple times, I think Odorizzi is back in some fashion. Makes too much sense for both parties. I still feel Pineda is back for pretty much the same reason, though his situation is a bit more gray, no pun intended. That still leaves another very important acquisition that needs to take place.

     

    I've said several times I'm 50/50 on a FA vs an impact trade. The biggest problem is, the FO, the analytics department Rocco and Johnson aren't going to share their viewpoints on ANY of the proposed additions until they actually make a move. Nor should they be expected to do so.

     

    I don't see Kershaw being offered up. I just don't.

     

    Same with Paddack. The Padres appear pretty close and have a lot of young talent.

     

    I don't really follow the Reds, but from the outside, I'm not sure I know what they are doing. I'm not convinced they do either. Gray could be available for a quality package and intrigues me.

     

    I'm buy low on Archer. I could be way off base, but he always struck me as big arm with big SO numbers that never reached the next level. Is that because of playing for some not so great teams or just hadn't taken the next step or what? Seems the Pirates lost in the deal to get him. Would they be willing to just move on for a handful of quality prospects at this point? Or would they be more inclined to hire a new pitching coach and see what 2020 brings?

     

     

     

    The FAs we need to re-sign for next year are right in front of us - Odorizzi and Pineda. Sign those 2, add Berrios, try to get 1 FA like Kuechel or Wheeler, or with Chris Archer,  and fill the #5 spot with a guy like Thorpe, Smeltzer or Dobnak. Re-sign Gibson if we can't get a FA starter. Perez stays only if we can't get one of the other 3.

     

    That's my prediction for the off-season SP moves.   

    And the Yanks will take us out behind the wood shed again next October

     

    I think Price is a realistic trade candidate, that the Twins could get. I am unsure how I feel about that, due to his health and decline (though the decline could easily reverse, imo).

     

    I'd be against it, unless he could be had for a 2nd tier prospect and would be looked upon by the Twins as a back of the rotation starter. He might be used up.

     

     He’s very impressive but I wouldn’t trade Royce Lewis for him straight up personally.
     

     

    I would all day long. Why wouldn't you? He'a got the chance to be the ACE you need and he's young. Could pair with Berrios for a long time. Lewis still a question mark, he might not every be anything at all. 

     

    Padres won't trade him but if it were straight up for Lewis, Twins would be foolish not to accept that IMO.

    I would all day long. Why wouldn't you? He'a got the chance to be the ACE you need and he's young. Could pair with Berrios for a long time. Lewis still a question mark, he might not every be anything at all.

     

    Padres won't trade him but if it were straight up for Lewis, Twins would be foolish not to accept that IMO.

    I know the Pads wouldn’t do that trade. I’m admittedly very high on Royce and believe he’s going to rebound in a big way in 2020.

     

    Love Paddack but as a mostly two pitch pitcher with some durability issues in his past I feel his upside may be limited slightly, enough that I think Royce will be more valuable.




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