Starting Pitching after 75 on the pitch count. When will Gardy learn?

[snepp]

And yes I have played quite a bit of ball in my day and coached as well so grabbing a bat and glove comment on earlier post, what is your qualifications.

 

That's just a quote from someone else (a regular commenter on the Star Tribune blogs) that I put in my signature, it appears under every post I make.

[Joe A. Preusser]

This 2004 game gets brought up all the time to attempt to prove all sorts of unrelated points.

 

Santana went 5 innings, Balfour went 2, and then Gardy went to Rincon for the 8th. Rincon had been amazing all year.

 

Yes, Gardy could have rode Balfour, but if the Yankees started hitting him and the Twins lost we would be destroying Gardy to this day. Putting your best pitchers in the same positions to succeed that they have been utilized all season should be low on the list of complaints against a manager.

 

My favorite part of this story is how EVERY Twin fan was bashing Gardy for leaving Nathan in...and I mean EVERY Twins fan across the nation. Then Joe Torre gets the question in his postgame and he says, "I would have done the same thing, that's the right move." And all we hear is crickets across Twins country. Whenever the negative posters on this board get to me I think back to that moment and feel better.

[BHtwins]

Not a Gardy fan, in fact I think a lot of the division wins were in spite of him not because of him.

 

but

 

He bears very little blame for this pile of crap called a rotation though. Good starters pitch well regularly past 75 pitches. This is not an unrealistic expectation. You cant give your pen an extra 150 innings a season and expect success.

 

Radical idea time. 4 man rotation with no real expectation of them seeing the 6th or 7th regularly but in return pitch short a day. 12 or even 13 man staff (Twins bench isnt deep enough to matter anyway) Win the winnable games with the best of your pen and eat the innings with the dredges for the lost causes. In other words the best of your pen pitches high leverage innings but never "to get their work" the worst of your pen eats the `150 innings a normal starting staff would have with at least one extra arm to help even the load out.

[DaveW]

The "I played baseball" bit is tied and pointless. I am prob one of maybe 3 or 4 people who still play baseball at this point (I still suck), that doesn't make my opinion any more valid then anyone else's.

 

Keith Law looks like he couldn't even swing a 32 bat, that doesn't mean he doesn't know about baseball.

[Mike Sixel]

But, the pitchers aren't good, so expecting them to be something "because that's how starting pitchers are supposed to be" is foolish, imo. They are NOT good (they being most of them), so trying to use them in the traditional manner is bound to lead to lots and lots of losses.

 

You can use your AAA team as extra pitching depth. Just send guys up and down every 3-5 weeks, and have them pitch less down there. There are actual several patterns you could use, if 3 starters can go 6-7 innings, there are enough relievers to pitch a different pattern for the other 2 starts.

 

But keeping starters in past their effectivenss, because, damnit, that's what starters are supposed to do, that's just bad strategy, assuming you are trying to win the games.

[Mike Sixel]

My favorite part of this story is how EVERY Twin fan was bashing Gardy for leaving Nathan in...and I mean EVERY Twins fan across the nation. Then Joe Torre gets the question in his postgame and he says, "I would have done the same thing, that's the right move." And all we hear is crickets across Twins country. Whenever the negative posters on this board get to me I think back to that moment and feel better.

 

Well, the next time a manager publicly criticizes the moves of another manager, will be one of the first 5 or 10 times it happens in the last 50 years.....so I'm not sure what meaning Torre's comments have.

[greengoblinrulz]

snicker, snicker!!!