2023 Other NFL Offseason News

[nicksaviking]

A fourth or less I'm good with. Or contingent draft picks based on usage/performance.

It's probably over for Lance, but Shanahan is not the QB whisperer people make him out to be in league circles. Maybe Purdy will break the mold, but he develops and only uses low end game managers and that's it. Garappolo, Beathard, Hoyer, Mullens, Purdy? Cousins and an inherited 30-year-old Matt Ryan were his pre-SF success stories. These guys are immobile pocket passers. It seemed to make sense when they drafted Lance, as he could sit a year behind Garappolo, but obviously he doesn't play Shanahan's style. I wouldn't be surprised if Lance was a big fight between Shanahan and Lynch.

[nicksaviking]

6 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

I'd give up a 5th or later...why not?

Sniped me, but I guess one round isn't much to argue about.

[Mike Sixel]

1 minute ago, nicksaviking said:

Sniped me, but I guess one round isn't much to argue about.

I'd go 4th. The odds of anyone after round 3 being great are small (any one guy....there are always guys, but you need to get lucky to find the right one).

[nicksaviking]

6 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

I'd go 4th. The odds of anyone after round 3 being great are small (any one guy....there are always guys, but you need to get lucky to find the right one).

And not to be needlessly critical, but thus far I've seen little from this front office's drafts that's encouraging.

[Mike Sixel]

2 minutes ago, nicksaviking said:

And not to be needlessly critical, but thus far I've seen little from this front office's drafts that's encouraging.

sigh. truth. Last year was a disaster.

[Vanimal46]

The team acquiring Lance would only have to pick up $940k this year and $5.3 million next year. It’s an intriguing gamble to trade a day 3 pick for him. While true, he may be too raw to play in the NFL, I’m not ready to give up on a 23 year old. 

[nicksaviking]

2 minutes ago, Vanimal46 said:

The team acquiring Lance would only have to pick up $940k this year and $5.3 million next year. It’s an intriguing gamble to trade a day 3 pick for him. While true, he may be too raw to play in the NFL, I’m not ready to give up on a 23 year old. 

Insanely, he's still two years younger than Jaren Hall.

Also, I'd be happy finding a reason to get rid of Nick Mullens. I never understood why you'd carry this type of QB. If your starter goes down, your season is over, Mullens types aren't going to carry a team to anything meaningful. If you're going to lose a QB and stink, might as well stink epically and with someone with developable upside. 

[Vanimal46]

I see a lot of positives with the acquisition - if it happens. Now several insiders are talking about the Vikings and Lance. He is simply more gifted than Jaren Hall in every way. It’s an interesting test for KOC and staff to develop their own QB. 

[Mike Sixel]

2 minutes ago, nicksaviking said:

Insanely, he's still two years younger than Jaren Hall.

Also, I'd be happy finding a reason to get rid of Nick Mullens. I never understood why you'd carry this type of QB. If your starter goes down, your season is over, Mullens types aren't going to carry a team to anything meaningful. If you're going to lose a QB and stink, might as well stink epically and with someone with developable upside. 

Fear. It's why Gallo is still on the roster. GMs and coaches get fired for doing things others don't (esp. the NFL, where everyone punts on 4th and short).

[nicksaviking]

6 minutes ago, Vanimal46 said:

I see a lot of positives with the acquisition. Now several insiders are talking about the Vikings and Lance. He is simply more gifted than Jaren Hall in every way. It’s an interesting test for KOC and staff to develop their own QB. 

Yeah, I want them to get a top end QB through the draft, but that's going to be hard next year, and possibly the year after. This could be a good and cheap test case. Though I really hope that KOC isn't tied to the same Shanahan philosophy of only using pocket-passer friendly offenses though. I want the next QB to be a guy who can move and pick up 1st downs with his legs after Cousins has left.

Also, all reports seem to indicate that the 49er's really like Lance on a personal level. Usually you'd want to make this trade in the other conference, but perhaps they'd be amenable to doing Lance a solid and sending him home, considering all the misfortune he's dealt with.

[nicksaviking]

4 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

Fear. It's why Gallo is still on the roster. GMs and coaches get fired for doing things others don't (esp. the NFL, where everyone punts on 4th and short).

For sure. 

[Vanimal46]

13 minutes ago, nicksaviking said:

Yeah, I want them to get a top end QB through the draft, but that's going to be hard next year, and possibly the year after

I’d much prefer acquiring just Lance on the cheap, but here is a crazy thought this close to the season…

Kirk for Lance and their 1st either 2024 or 25. 

Trading Kirk always made sense after June 1st… This close to the season I doubt a blockbuster like that happens. But it would help achieve the goal of getting a top QB with 2 1st round picks. 

[Mike Sixel]

1 minute ago, Vanimal46 said:

I’d much prefer acquiring just Lance on the cheap, but here is a crazy thought this close to the season…

Kirk for Lance and their 1st either 2024 or 25. 

Trading Kirk always made sense after June 1st… This close to the season I doubt a blockbuster like that happens. But it would help achieve the goal of getting a top QB with 2 1st round picks. 

I'm conflicted. I don't believe this D is good enough....but, this team MIGHT be really good (note: I think its the same team as last year, so I don't believe, but it is possible). OTOH, since I don't believe, I'd do this very fast. Or not. Really a hard choice for me.

[nicksaviking]

5 minutes ago, Vanimal46 said:

I’d much prefer acquiring just Lance on the cheap, but here is a crazy thought this close to the season…

Kirk for Lance and their 1st either 2024 or 25. 

Trading Kirk always made sense after June 1st… This close to the season I doubt a blockbuster like that happens. But it would help achieve the goal of getting a top QB with 2 1st round picks. 

I'm on board since I'm now a Super Bowl or bust fan. 

But plenty of people would be upset because they prefer watching playoff caliber teams, even if there is no reasonable chance at a title, and I'm empathetic to that.

[nicksaviking]

9 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

A fun season is more fun that what this Twins team is doing....last year was fun (if bonkers at times) until the playoffs. I'm sympathetic to your stance, which I used to hold, but I'm more of a journey guy now.....

Yeah, certainly more fans than not feel that way. Last year was a lot of fun, still, my enthusiasm wasn't at the level it was in 2009 or the late '90's through early '00's. Plenty of decent teams since, but I guess when I know the ceiling is capped, it's hard for me to indulge myself.

Though to be fair, I'm not young any longer (not OLD old, but definitely a way different person now). The stress I felt back in those days may impact me more than I think.

[nicksaviking]

Kellen Mond's tenure with the Browns last as long as his tenure with the Browns. 

This team used to do so much better in the draft. Just looking back through the recent years now and there hasn't been a draft since 2015 where you look at the picks and think, dang, they really hit on more than one guy this year.

[nicksaviking]

AZ traded Isaiah Simmons to the Giants for a 7th round pick. Seems like if Flores is the creative defensive mind he's portrayed as, a LB/Safety combo player might have been a good fit here.

[Vanimal46]

Some random hot takes I have about the upcoming season…

The AFC is going to be a bloodbath. The East has 4 competitive teams, North and West has 3 for sure. 

I think the Bills are going to be a massive disappointment this year, missing the playoffs. Maybe even old friend Stefon Diggs forces a trade out of there. 

The Chargers and Browns show their true colors as a franchise, continuing to play below expectations. 

We will be talking about the Jaguars as a Super Bowl contender this year. Trevor Lawrence cements himself as the next QB discussed after Mahomes and Burrow. 

[gunnarthor]

10 hours ago, Vanimal46 said:

Some random hot takes I have about the upcoming season…

The AFC is going to be a bloodbath. The East has 4 competitive teams, North and West has 3 for sure. 

I think the Bills are going to be a massive disappointment this year, missing the playoffs. Maybe even old friend Stefon Diggs forces a trade out of there. 

The Chargers and Browns show their true colors as a franchise, continuing to play below expectations. 

We will be talking about the Jaguars as a Super Bowl contender this year. Trevor Lawrence cements himself as the next QB discussed after Mahomes and Burrow. 

I think I agree entirely with this. I go back and fourth about the NFL. There are things I really, truly hate about it - how it literally takes years of the lives of its players, how its a "non-profit" for tax purposes, it's military imagery. 

But the collection of QBs in the AFC right now is one of the best things in the NFL in decades. Mahomes, Burrow, Herbert, Allen, Lawrence, Jackson, Tagovailoa, are all mostly young (27 or younger) and improving. Plus a few old guys like Rodgers and Wilson. And, while I agree with you that Cleveland will likely underachieve, Watson could be an elite QB. Plus, Indy has huge hopes on Richardson and Ryan Tannenhill isn't a bad QB, just nothing fancy. But he's certainly not a disaster. 

[nicksaviking]

11 hours ago, Vanimal46 said:

Some random hot takes I have about the upcoming season…

The AFC is going to be a bloodbath. The East has 4 competitive teams, North and West has 3 for sure. 

I think the Bills are going to be a massive disappointment this year, missing the playoffs. Maybe even old friend Stefon Diggs forces a trade out of there. 

The Chargers and Browns show their true colors as a franchise, continuing to play below expectations. 

We will be talking about the Jaguars as a Super Bowl contender this year. Trevor Lawrence cements himself as the next QB discussed after Mahomes and Burrow. 

I agree with much of this, but maybe not the AFC East part. I think the trainwreck nature of the Raiders and continued belief that Josh McDaniels can be a head coach is most likely going to have them picking top five next year. I also think Sean Peyton's trash talking of Hackett was his way of pre-emptively saying that his team is going to suck, but it's not HIS fault.

My hot take will be that Baker Mayfield will be average, and that's going to be enough to make that team surprisingly good. That team should have been pretty good last year; I think the Brady drama impacted them more than they're letting on. 

[gunnarthor]

1 hour ago, nicksaviking said:

 

My hot take will be that Baker Mayfield will be average, and that's going to be enough to make that team surprisingly good. That team should have been pretty good last year; I think the Brady drama impacted them more than they're letting on. 

I like that hot take. 

[Mike Sixel]

The AFC is amazing. The NFC? Not so much. 

[gunnarthor]

Ugh. I'm not sure I'm ready for Detroit to actually be good.