Competitive Balance Tax

[Cap'n Piranha]

3 minutes ago, nicksaviking said:

I said near 100%; broadcast rights are shared in the other leagues. And what do you mean look at football? Cincinnati is one of the smallest pro markets in the country and they're in the Super Bowl this year. You can't be serious if you're suggesting the NFL hasn't leveled the paying field.

Yeah, I don't get where PW is coming from.  The reason the NFL is far and away the most successful sports league in the country is precisely because of their parity.  Every team gets access to stud prospects (some just screw it up a lot), every team generally gets to keep the players they want to, and free agency is available to every franchise on more or less equal footing.  2 of the 5 worst run organizations in the league are the NY teams, while the model franchises right now are located in Kansas City, Baltimore, Buffalo, Cincinnati, and GREEN FREAKIN' BAY.

[TheLeviathan]

2 minutes ago, Prince William said:

Mismanagement is mismanagement. It is why baseball has teams that are performing poorly. No revenue sharing plan is going to fix that. The  old formula for baseball put each team share of the revenue at 130 million.  These teams are bad due to mismanagement and people want these teams to spend more. It will not change with even more money

No one is saying revenue sharing fixes management.  What it fixes is the opportunity GOOD management has to be successful in any market.  

In baseball, you can be a god damn wizard and it won't make up being outspent 4 to 1 by a rival.  Especially year after year after year.

[Major League Ready]

10 minutes ago, TheLeviathan said:

Owners want to keep the status quo of a broken game with an ever decreasing amount of relevancy.  I can't imagine a worse stance.  

Save your sermon though.  We've all heard your broken record.

So, in other words.  You want to make very bold assertions but you are unwilling to back any of them up with any form of validation.  You know you have nothing which is why you refuse to answer.  Here is your chance to show that the points I am making are pointless.  What a great opportunity to show I am clueless.  I set you up to prove your case while showing the stupidity of my position.  Now all you have to do is actually back up what you are saying.  

[Prince William]

7 minutes ago, nicksaviking said:

I said near 100%; broadcast rights are shared in the other leagues. And what do you mean look at football? Cincinnati is one of the smallest pro markets in the country and they're in the Super Bowl this year. You can't be serious if you're suggesting the NFL hasn't leveled the paying field.

You can't be serious to not understand that it it the management of an organization that makes them successful not the money they have. 

[Prince William]

3 minutes ago, TheLeviathan said:

No one is saying revenue sharing fixes management.  What it fixes is the opportunity GOOD management has to be successful in any market.  

In baseball, you can be a god damn wizard and it won't make up being outspent 4 to 1 by a rival.  Especially year after year after year.

There is good management with the Rays, they win. It has been fairly consistent

[TheLeviathan]

Just now, Major League Ready said:

So, in other words.  You want to make very bold assertions but you are unwilling to back any of them up with any form of validation.  You know you have nothing which is why you refuse to answer.  Here is your chance to show that the points I am making are pointless.  What a great opportunity to show I am clueless.  I set you up to prove your case while showing the stupidity of my position.  Now all you have to do is actually back up what you are saying.  

I have proven your sermons pointless, yet you preach on.  Which is why engaging them is not worth my time.  

I can't cite anything specific because the owners stance is not specific.  It is a generalized "we're good like this". Owners want to maintain the current environment which is crushing baseball's future.  They have no specific policy changes, only to keep the status quo which is broken.  That's the closest thing to a stance they have: "stay broken".  The players want to change things in a way that's just "broken in a new way"  Both of them are not moving in the right direction - significant change for the health of the game.  

[TheLeviathan]

1 minute ago, Prince William said:

There is good management with the Rays, they win. It has been fairly consistent

Cool.  One team.  Got any others?

This is the "the exception proves the rule" sorta thing.  And it quite obviously misses the point.  If your pattern holds out, you'll just move the goal posts.  Basically, you're not making a consistent, fair argument here and purposely missing the point.

[Cap'n Piranha]

10 minutes ago, Prince William said:

Mismanagement is mismanagement. It is why baseball has teams that are performing poorly. No revenue sharing plan is going to fix that. The  old formula for baseball put each team share of the revenue at 130 million.  These teams are bad due to mismanagement and people want these teams to spend more. It will not change with even more money

An owner might have a long leash for a bad management team if he "only" has to pay $50M-$60M.  The leash will be much shorter if he has to pay $100M-$120M.

[Prince William]

6 minutes ago, TheLeviathan said:

I have proven your sermons pointless, yet you preach on.  Which is why engaging them is not worth my time.  

I can't cite anything specific because the owners stance is not specific.  It is a generalized "we're good like this". Owners want to maintain the current environment which is crushing baseball's future.  They have no specific policy changes, only to keep the status quo which is broken.  That's the closest thing to a stance they have: "stay broken".  The players want to change things in a way that's just "broken in a new way"  Both of them are not moving in the right direction - significant change for the health of the game.  

You prove that apples are not oranges

[TheLeviathan]

2 minutes ago, Prince William said:

You prove that apples are not oranges

[Prince William]

1 minute ago, TheLeviathan said:

If that is all you have is rudeness, so be it

[nicksaviking]

OK, this thread has dissolved into petty bickering, I'm closing it. It's the same stuff over and over again, the same as the last thread which is still here: https://twinsdaily.com/forums/topic/54575-new-cba-whats-good-for-the-game/page/6/

If everyone can keep their posts from getting overly personal and have something fresh to say I suggest revisiting this one so as not to duplicate the same arguments in multiple threads.