Article: Rotation becomes clear as Minnesota Twins cut two more

[DaveW]

True, but after plenty of chances.

 

The problem is there won't likely be any pitcher truly "knocking" on the door to replace Correia, if the Twins have 4 "solid"pitchers and Correia is the only one who is an issue, well, then the Twins are in better shape then I would predict at that point.

[cmathewson]

The problem is there won't likely be any pitcher truly "knocking" on the door to replace Correia, if the Twins have 4 "solid"pitchers and Correia is the only one who is an issue, well, then the Twins are in better shape then I would predict at that point.

 

I disagree. Deduno will be knocking on the door in April. Gibson will be knocking on the door in May .Meyers will be knocking on the door in August. Of the pitchers in camp this year, Correia is eighth on my list as far as the likelihood of success in the AL. I would put these pitchers ahead of him:

 

Worley

Diamond

Pelfrey

Handriks

Devries

Deduno

Gibson

Meyers

[ashbury]

Meyers will be knocking on the door in August.

 

To my knowledge the Twins have only one Meyer. :whacky028:

[Rosterman]

And, actually, you could May and Hermsen in that mix, since they are on the 40-man roster, and even Hernandez.

[Drtwins]

I agree Correia would be 8th or 9th on my list of starters, I am taking price into consideration in my list though. If he was getting paid around 1 mil a season I could see him as the no 4 or 5 as I feel most of our pitchers are 4 or 5's.

 

- Worley, Diamond, Pelfrey are easily ahead of Correia.

 

- Hendriks (has done well at AAA and is younger) and Deduno (has shown he has good stuff and pitched well in majors and wbc) would be ahead of Correia.

 

- DeVries is younger and at best could be a No 3 or 4 starter (200 innings type pitcher) but for a lot less money would be a better option.

 

- Gibson would be a better option but coming off tommy john and no major league experience makes since for him to be in the minors

 

- Heck since Blackburn was already getting paid big money and had solid no 5 numbers (4 - 4.5 era and 150+ innings) in 3 of the past 5 years I'd give him a chance if not injured over Correia for 4+ mil. (not suggesting blackburn should start either as more then 5 players are listed above)

 

Also, have perdomo, meyers, and may in the next year or two

[h2oface]

Would you rather have Cole DeVries on the staff or ............ Cliff Lee. Check out the spring training stats.......... Cole Devries is a mirage. His upside will surface all too soon once the season starts, me thinks........ and it will not be pretty.

[beckmt]

Would you rather have Cole DeVries on the staff or ............ Cliff Lee. Check out the spring training stats.......... Cole Devries is a mirage. His upside will surface all too soon once the season starts, me thinks........ and it will not be pretty.

There are a number of pitchers that have lasted with the same or less stuff than Cole DeVries (Read Jamie Moyers, 1938 version of Dizzy Dean, and others). Location is the big thing for these type of pitchers, also ball movement and changing speeds, Rick Reed is another one that comes to mind). See how he pitches before throwing negative comments. He might surprise you.

[h2oface]

There are a number of pitchers that have lasted with the same or less stuff than Cole DeVries (Read Jamie Moyers, 1938 version of Dizzy Dean, and others). Location is the big thing for these type of pitchers, also ball movement and changing speeds, Rick Reed is another one that comes to mind). See how he pitches before throwing negative comments. He might surprise you.

 

I agree, he might surprise. I hope he does, of course. I was never impressed with him, and the minor league performance in AAA doesn't give me encouragement. I stick with my comment, though, and he did earn it this spring.

[jun]

What happens if DeVries and Hendriks are holding their own while Correia, Pelfrey and Worley struggle mightily? Does this team have the stones to pull the plug on Correia and Pelfrey if Diamond is ready and Gibson and Deduno or even Hernandez are proving themselves at Rochester? I don't think they do, I think Hendriks/DeVries get sent packing regardless of accomplishments.

 

I doubt Hendriks is going to be effective in the major league. I have high hope for De Vries, Deduno and Hernandez though. I also think Walters has a chance to be successful as a long reliever/ spot starter in the major league.

[Brock Beauchamp]

I doubt Hendriks is going to be effective in the major league. I have high hope for De Vries, Deduno and Hernandez though. I also think Walters has a chance to be successful as a long reliever/ spot starter in the major league.

 

Why on Earth would you doubt Hendriks' ability and have hopes for De Vries (and to a lesser extent, Deduno)?

[jun]

I disagree. Deduno will be knocking on the door in April. Gibson will be knocking on the door in May .Meyers will be knocking on the door in August. Of the pitchers in camp this year, Correia is eighth on my list as far as the likelihood of success in the AL. I would put these pitchers ahead of him:

 

Worley

Diamond

Pelfrey

Handriks

Devries

Deduno

Gibson

Meyers

 

Hendriks is not going to have success in the major league level.

Gibson and Meyer are not ready yet.

I would give Hernandez and Walters a chance to compete a spot in the rotation though.

[jun]

Why on Earth would you doubt Hendriks' ability and have hopes for De Vries (and to a lesser extent, Deduno)?

The fact that it took him 20 starts to get a win in the major league level made me believe he would not have much success in the major league.

Why on earth would you believe Hendriks' ability? He has shown very little. Deduno has the stuff to be successful as we all saw from WBC. De Vries could work the corners, he had some success last season and he had an awesome spring.

[Brock Beauchamp]

The fact that it took him 20 starts to get a win in the major league level made me believe he would not have much success in the major league.

 

Except that he has better stuff than De Vries, has a very good track record in the minors, and is what, 4 years younger?

 

Wins are far too team-dependent to matter if/when a player gets his first win.

[cmathewson]

The fact that it took him 20 starts to get a win in the major league level made me believe he would not have much success in the major league.

Why on earth would you believe Hendriks' ability? He has shown very little. Deduno has the stuff to be successful as we all saw from WBC. De Vries could work the corners, he had some success last season and he had an awesome spring.

 

Guys develop at different rates. Some guys take longer to become major leaguers than others. Torii Hunter and Michael Cuddyer are two examples of guys who struggled when they first gt called up, and had to go back down to work on stuff. On the pitching side, Johan Santana took three years after his initial stint to develop into a quality pitcher. He only became a good starter after an extended stint in AAA. That's a common story.

 

Hendriks is very young and has a very good minor league track record. His problems last year are well documented: He pitched much more tentatively in the majors then he had in the minors because he was afraid. When he got over that fear late in the year and started attacking the zone, he was fine. He should be a decent 4 or 5 guy for years to come.

[jun]

Except that he has better stuff than De Vries, has a very good track record in the minors, and is what, 4 years younger?

 

Wins are far too team-dependent to matter if/when a player gets his first win.

 

He has a better stuff than De Vries? His straight fast ball and hittable slider? His only advantage is he has success in the minors. The reason he is still on major league roster is because he has nothing to prove in the minor. I don't think he earns the spot like De Vries.

[Brock Beauchamp]

He has a better stuff than De Vries? His straight fast ball and hittable slider? His only advantage is he has success in the minors. The reason he is still on major league roster is because he has nothing to prove in the minor. I don't think he earns the spot like De Vries.

 

You can argue stuff but I'll take Hendriks, whose stuff can be quite good at times but has rarely flashed that ability in the Majors (I said from the get-go that he seemed to be pitching scared and still stick by that analysis... Which Parker also concluded in a great write-up a few months back). If he matures a bit and trusts his stuff, he's probably going to be a decent pitcher.

 

And he's still four years younger. De Vries is past the typical prime season (age 27), Hendriks is still three years from it.

 

Neither player is guaranteed prolonged success but if one of them does manage to pull it off, my money is on Liam.

[jun]

Guys develop at different rates. Some guys take longer to become major leaguers than others. Torii Hunter and Michael Cuddyer are two examples of guys who struggled when they first gt called up, and had to go back down to work on stuff. On the pitching side, Johan Santana took three years after his initial stint to develop into a quality pitcher. He only became a good starter after an extended stint in AAA. That's a common story.

 

Hendriks is very young and has a very good minor league track record. His problems last year are well documented: He pitched much more tentatively in the majors then he had in the minors because he was afraid. When he got over that fear late in the year and started attacking the zone, he was fine. He should be a decent 4 or 5 guy for years to come.

 

Hendriks has not made much improvement this year. I predict he is going to be another Blackburn this year.

[Brock Beauchamp]

Hendriks has not made much improvement this year. I predict he is going to be another Blackburn this year.

 

And you're basing that on 21 Spring Training innings?

 

Compared to De Vries' 13 Spring Training innings?

[cmathewson]

Hendriks has not made much improvement this year. I predict he is going to be another Blackburn this year.

 

I'd be happy with a 12-12 year, 200 innings and a 4 ERA. That was Blackburn in his first full year of starting.

[ashbury]

The reason he is still on major league roster is because he has nothing to prove in the minor.

 

I can't remember, has someone in charge (Gardy, Anderson, Ryan) said something to this effect? Seems to me he doesn't do what they tell him, namely mix in other pitches with his fastball, and/or develop something better than his slider. So they could easily say to him "go to the minors and prove you can do what we've been telling you, and not simply get AAA hitters out with a diet of fastballs".