Meyer in 2013?

[Seth Stohs]

I think that Meyer starts 2013 in Ft. Myers, makes maybe 6-8 starts there and moves up to New Britain. He'll make at least a dozen starts there before even considering AAA. Frankly, it wouldn't be terrible for him to spend the rest of the season in New Britain. 2014, he'll get a spring training invite (since he doesn't have to be added to the 40 man roster until after the 2014 season). He'll go to Rochester and basically be called up whenever he is ready.

 

Boras, or whoever the agent is, it is wise to think about when players are called up. If the Twins wait a month into the 2014 season to call him up, he will get four years of arbitration (as a Super 2), but he won't be a free agent until after the 2020 season. If they wait until late June of 2014, he will likely not be a Super 2, pitch an extra season at a team-friendly price, get 3 years of arbitration and then be a free agent after the 2020 season. If they have him up all of 2014, he becomes a free agent after the 2019 season. If we can't be patient for a month or two, as life-long, die-hard Twins fans for something that makes so much sense, I don't know what to tell you.

 

Parmelee and Hendriks made the Opening Day roster in 2012. Dozier was called up before May. These guys may not be in Gibson or Meyers prospect status, but it shows that they don't always make decisions based on finances.

[Nick Nelson]

There's no way we can even speculate on this until we see how he handles the higher levels of the minors. There's a good chance he could get shelled initially in Double-A, and that wouldn't necessarily be cause for panic. If he transitions smoothly, I wouldn't rule out a call-up this year. Twins have shown plenty of willingness to be aggressive with college pitchers in the past.

[Mike Sixel]

So according to Seth, it is at least partly about money....

[Mike Sixel]

There was zero risk of Dozier or Parmalee becoming super 2 or expensive.....not the way they used Chris, and not the talent Brian has.

[Twins Twerp]

 

Super 2 status? Is this why Antony Slama hasn't been called up. Makes sense. It is always about the money with the Twins...FREE SLAMA!!!

 

P.S. Is it just me or does this Jamie Kennedy guy look a lot like Anthony Slama?

[LaBombo]

What Seth said. Having Meyer force the issue by dominating A+ and AA hitters is a problem the Twins would love to have, but it's hard to see them handing Boras the reins a year early to get an extra month or two out of a guy who will need to have most things break right just to get a taste of AAA before the 2013 minor league season ends.

 

Bottom line: If he's good enough to pitch here in 2014, I'll be so happy that the trade (which I liked even though I'm a Span fan) worked out that I can't imagine caring whether he pitches only 4 months instead of all year.

[LaBombo]

P.S. Is it just me or does this Jamie Kennedy guy look a lot like Anthony Slama?

 

Whoa, what happened to JK? Pretty good match. Best I could find was this guy:

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/David-McCarty-Twins-Signed-Autographed-8x10-Photo-/00/$%28KGrHqMOKjUE2zMhJN-WBN%29dn-%28Epw~~_35.JPG

Actually, without the uniform, McCarty wouldn't look like him at all, it's just a fun excuse to remember Kelly's Jersey tough guy putdown: "Stanford? Well boola boola boola!" I don't really even know what that means, other than Kelly didn't like him very much, even before it turned out he couldn't hit.

[darin617]

He has to learn the "Twins way" of pitching before he earns any promotion. In other words dial back the fastball to the low 90's and start pitching to contact. So sad that they will ruin his chances becoming a possible top of the rotation starter.

[Seth Stohs]

So according to Seth, it is at least partly about money....

 

I certainly think that it should be. I'm sure it's case by case too... but there's no way I'd give up a full-year of a player if I don't have to. Most may prove not worth the hassle, but for the great talents, I'd sure like an extra year. (although the Twins do a pretty good job of locking up players that are worthwhile (and some that aren't) through a free agent year too (Mauer, Santana, Morneau, Cuddyer, Hunter, several others)

[Seth Stohs]

There's no way we can even speculate on this until we see how he handles the higher levels of the minors. There's a good chance he could get shelled initially in Double-A, and that wouldn't necessarily be cause for panic. If he transitions smoothly, I wouldn't rule out a call-up this year. Twins have shown plenty of willingness to be aggressive with college pitchers in the past.

 

This, of course, is also very true. The Twins will promote based on earning it. They definitely have a track record of being willing to have college pitchers move 3 levels in one year (Gibson, Baker, Crain, Duensing, Darnell) and even four levels in one year (Garza in '06).

[Seth Stohs]

So according to Seth, it is at least partly about money....

 

I certainly think that it should be. I'm sure it's case by case too... but there's no way I'd give up a full-year of a player if I don't have to. Most may prove not worth the hassle, but for the great talents, I'd sure like an extra year. (although the Twins do a pretty good job of locking up players that are worthwhile (and some that aren't) through a free agent year too (Mauer, Santana, Morneau, Cuddyer, Hunter, several others)

 

let me add Mike... For me, it's not about the money, it's about keeping a player a full extra ceiling if he's worth it. Four-year Arbitration guys make a lot of money too if they're good.

[Brock Beauchamp]

He has to learn the "Twins way" of pitching before he earns any promotion. In other words dial back the fastball to the low 90's and start pitching to contact. So sad that they will ruin his chances becoming a possible top of the rotation starter.

 

Just like Johan Santana and Francisco Liriano?

[Mike Sixel]

Money and years are the same to me....the issue is can you keep him or not, and that is largely money driven. Because even if he is awesome, you can still offer him a ton of money to keep him.

[messed up]

Let's just hope Meyer progresses and get through AA this year

[Mike Sixel]

Good point messedup....

[Twins Twerp]

Other teams do the same thing with there guys, especially a Boras guy. Your God damn right its about the money. It is about getting an extra year out of a guy. What would you rather have: a full season of Meyer in 2013 or 2014 as a rookie learning the ropes and a free agent/trade candidate in 2017? Or a guy who plays half of 2014 (hopefully in a pennant race) and then a free agent/trade candidate in 2020? I would take the latter wouldn't you? I hope that we can't sign this guy long term because it means he maxed out his potential. Who knows, maybe a small market fan ENDS Boras...if you know what I'm saying

[Jim H]

I think there is a fair chance Meyer dominates at AA and gets to AAA in 2013. Garza dominated at those levels throwing nothing but fastballs. That was actually a point of contention. Even if he does, I still don't think we see Meyer in the majors until 2014. The Twins are going to have a hard time pushing a kid that young close to 200 innings. Or even 180. I suspect that it would take a special situation to see him with the Twins in 2013.