Neal: Twins have offers out to starting pitchers

[greengoblinrulz]

Twins would always say they dont spend in FA when they are good as they dont want to mess up their chemistry/roster

Twins say they dont want to spend in FA when they are bad cause they are too far away from contending.

Twins just dont like spending in FA period.

[beckmt]

I tend to agree with twinsfaninsaudi, the twins are being used by agents to run up the price as the teams cannot share information, but the agents probably do on offers, so agents just take the twins offer to clubs they want to sign with for more money, or the agents use the twins rumor to extract more money

[Oxtung]

It's amazing how things have changed in 5 months. Many fans wanted a front line starter prospect back for Liriano at the trade deadline or were flat out upset that he wasn't resigned. Now many don't even want him on the team no matter how low his salary. Just goes to show how much we as fans tend to overrate players based on emotional attachment.

[nicksaviking]

But why would anyone be OK with a rebuilding team paying a #4 starter $10 million each of the next three years? If Saunders is the best they can do, it's best to do nothing as 2013 is sunk and Saunders would be of no future help. Like I mentioned above, it's not like he'll help sell tickets.

[Mike Sixel]

Why do I care if they spend that money on Saunders if the alternative is to pocket it? I would rather they sign him and trade him in a year, or keep him around, than watch the staff they had last year.

[greengoblinrulz]

Frankie's 2012

First 6 starts 0W 5L 26.2IP 37h .346BAA .369Babip 28er 9.45era 6hr 21k 19bb .435OBP .589slgg

5 relief appearances

Next 11 starts 3W 5L 66IP 45h .190BAA .252Babip 27er 3.68era 6hr 79k 29bb .283OBP .312slgg

After Don Cooper fixed him

12gm 11st 3W 2L 56.2IP 54h .251BAA .311Babip 34er 5.40era 7hr 58k 32bb .355OBP .405slgg

WHY would MN take a shot on someone who you have NO idea what you're getting from start to start

[nicksaviking]

Why do I care if they spend that money on Saunders if the alternative is to pocket it? I would rather they sign him and trade him in a year, or keep him around, than watch the staff they had last year.

 

I'll agree if the deal is only for 2013, but there should be better ways to invest that money in 2014 and 2015.

[Kwak]

I tend to agree with twinsfaninsaudi, the twins are being used by agents to run up the price as the teams cannot share information, but the agents probably do on offers, so agents just take the twins offer to clubs they want to sign with for more money, or the agents use the twins rumor to extract more money

They don't need to--there are plenty of others who are passing said information around, such that interested parties can/will find out.

[Mike Sixel]

Well, if you do not want them to spend money this year, will you want them to next year, when it is way more expensive? That is the part that I do not understand in these discussions. But I am willing to listen....

[nicksaviking]

Frankie's 2012

First 6 starts 0W 5L 26.2IP 37h .346BAA .369Babip 28er 9.45era 6hr 21k 19bb .435OBP .589slgg

5 relief appearances

Next 11 starts 3W 5L 66IP 45h .190BAA .252Babip 27er 3.68era 6hr 79k 29bb .283OBP .312slgg

After Don Cooper fixed him

12gm 11st 3W 2L 56.2IP 54h .251BAA .311Babip 34er 5.40era 7hr 58k 32bb .355OBP .405slgg

WHY would MN take a shot on someone who you have NO idea what you're getting from start to start

 

But you do know. He's predictably inconsistant. He'll start off slow, though he does still generally pitch a 1-2-3 first inning. He should be a one inning guy in the pen until mid May to counter his poor control. Mid May stretch him out so that by June, when his WHIP and K/9 make a big improvment, he can join the roatation. Come the end of July, after managing his strengths and minimizing his flaws, move him for a modest return and aviod his late season swoon. This game plan wouldn't have only worked in 2012, but virtually every one of Frankies full seasons, it's not much of a gamble if you're expecting this outcome.

 

Ryan wouldn't have the guts to plan for this though so he's probably not worth it.

[nicksaviking]

Well, if you do not want them to spend money this year, will you want them to next year, when it is way more expensive? That is the part that I do not understand in these discussions. But I am willing to listen....

 

I'm with you on not wanting the let the team get away with going with a minimal payroll. My problem with signing Saunders is that it is a catch-22. If he's your big free agent signing you know 2013 is already a lost cause so why bother making the siging at all?

 

Your right about if they don't spend now, why would they next year. Aside from having to likely give multiple years at about $10 million per, the thing that would bug me the most is that there are still better options. I'd much rather have Edwin Jackson and Shawn Marcum. The money should be spent to go toward those guys even if they have to overpay to make them come to Minnesota. There is more potential in those arms.

[LaBombo]

If the get Saunders, I'd call it an unexpected accomplishment.

 

The fact that your claim can't easily be disputed is the most punishing indictment of the Twins I can imagine.