SF Chronicle reporter wants to keep hope alive for a repeat trip to the World Series... and that hope depends on a MN Twin?

[dxpavelka]

Yes trade Plouffe so I can spend the next 4 years hearing about another guy who left here and flourished elsewhere.

[drock2190]

Wow did anyone look at Crick's walks per 9?

 

That's kinda high, makes Alex Meyer look like a control freak.

[twinsfanstreif]

Wow did anyone look at Crick's walks per 9?

 

That's kinda high, makes Alex Meyer look like a control freak.

Yea, that's why many see him as more of a closer than a starter, maybe Susac and Beede would be better

[Trevor0333]

If Headley doesn't go to SF you may get them to overpay with Crick & Susac. You have to take that If it's offered.

 

Plouffe will start getting expensive quick after this season decreasing his value.

 

Escobar can handle 3B unti Sano is ready.

[Riverbrian]

I think the Giants over pay for Headley and regret it later... Or sooner.

 

Regardless... If you want to trade Plouffe. The 1st... 2nd... 4th... 5th and 8th phone calls has to be made to the Padres.

 

If they are listening on Cashner... Ross and Kennedy.

 

Plouffe plus something else might interest them.

[jokin]

Yea, that's why many see him as more of a closer than a starter, maybe Susac and Beede would be better

 

Isn't Beede untradeable until the June draft?

[Bark's Lounge]

I think the Giants over pay for Headley and regret it later... Or sooner.

 

Regardless... If you want to trade Plouffe. The 1st... 2nd... 4th... 5th and 8th phone calls has to be made to the Padres.

 

If they are listening on Cashner... Ross and Kennedy.

 

Plouffe plus something else might interest them.

On paper a deal like this might look good. The guy I would pick out of the 3 you mentioned is Tyson Ross, as he would come with the same year wise amount of control that Plouffe comes with and that is important, especially if you are giving up an extra piece to acquire him and Plouffe's value, at least to me, is substantial. Ross strikes out guys at a good clip, but he also likes to give up some BB.

 

I'm a no go on Cashner and Kennedy. I'm not in on Kennedy because he is probably a one and done for the Twins as he is a FA after the 2015 season. Sure it is possible we could sign him after this upcoming season, but to exchange Plouffe and a prospect for a one year rental makes my left eye twitch a little bit, probably a sign of stroke I have to look forward to.

 

Cashner has an injury history, with one year of pitching over 124 innings at the age of 27. That trade does not seem like a fit either.

 

My problem with the three is the environment they pitch in half of the time. Petco is a cavernous graveyard for hitters. The Park is Big, plays big, and the marine environment kills well hit balls hit in the air.

 

I would expect some regression from these 3 pitchers switching from the NL to AL, and I am good with that, but I just can't trust what I see on the stat sheet from these guys given the park and environment they play in 50% of the time.

[twinsfanstreif]

Isn't Beede untradeable until the June draft?

Easy, PTBNL until June

[brvama]

This is not to derailed this thread, but I find it shortsighted to suggest a possible replacement for Plouffe at third is Mauer. That is not going to happen. It took Joe a half a year yo get comfortable at first. What makes anyone think he can just move across the diamond so easily. To my chagrin, as a former 1Bman, playing first is supposedly the easiest position to play. (Of course, I disagree with that.).

 

Any trade of Plouffe will be covered by Esobar or a non-Mauer player.

 

Secondly, IIRC Sano's defense had been coming along quite nicely before his injury. Has his improvement vanished because he lost a year of playing? I would think not. He is still my candidate to man 3rd for several years to come, once his arrives. Let's keep him at his position, just like we all want to get Santana to short even with his shortcomings, pun intended.

 

And as far as value for Plouffe, Crick doesn't do it for me, even with Susac. I'm just not enamored with Cricks the centerpiece of a trade.

[jokin]

Easy, PTBNL until June

 

Yeah, there's been some speculation on TD that you can't do that with draft picks, so I'm still left wondering.

[Bark's Lounge]

Yeah, there's been some speculation on TD that you can't do that with draft picks, so I'm still left wondering.

It certainly could be that MLB changed the rules since the Ubaldo Jimenez trade from the Rockies to the Indians 3-ish years go, but wasn't Drew Pomeranz involved in this exact situation? If the rules have not changed, then I believe Beede could a PTBNL.

[Riverbrian]

On paper a deal like this might look good. The guy I would pick out of the 3 you mentioned is Tyson Ross, as he would come with the same year wise amount of control that Plouffe comes with and that is important, especially if you are giving up an extra piece to acquire him and Plouffe's value, at least to me, is substantial. Ross strikes out guys at a good clip, but he also likes to give up some BB.

 

I'm a no go on Cashner and Kennedy. I'm not in on Kennedy because he is probably a one and done for the Twins as he is a FA after the 2015 season. Sure it is possible we could sign him after this upcoming season, but to exchange Plouffe and a prospect for a one year rental makes my left eye twitch a little bit, probably a sign of stroke I have to look forward to.

 

Cashner has an injury history, with one year of pitching over 124 innings at the age of 27. That trade does not seem like a fit either.

 

My problem with the three is the environment they pitch in half of the time. Petco is a cavernous graveyard for hitters. The Park is Big, plays big, and the marine environment kills well hit balls hit in the air.

 

I would expect some regression from these 3 pitchers switching from the NL to AL, and I am good with that, but I just can't trust what I see on the stat sheet from these guys given the park and environment they play in 50% of the time.

I agree on Kennedy. He ain't a good fit for us.

 

I'm good with Cashner and Ross... both of them. I'm calling Escobar and telling him about his 3rd base job immediately if Cashner or Ross end up in Minnesota. Cashner has some injury history but his arm and skill is #1-ish potentially.

 

Unless a pitcher of that quality comes back... I'm with you Bark... Sitting in a chair... In the "Pro Plouffe Club". He competed professionally and capably in 2014.

 

And... And... That's really something... Because I was in the Halsey Hall owned "Remove all Traces of Plouffe Club" in 2013.

[jokin]

It certainly could be that MLB changed the rules since the Ubaldo Jimenez trade from the Rockies to the Indians 3-ish years go, but wasn't Drew Pomeranz involved in this exact situation? If the rules have not changed, then I believe Beede could a PTBNL.

 

I'm not sure on Beede, is he a juiced-up Trevor May?  He only had one dominant year at Vandy.  And if this is the case, with the obvious struggles for command and control- are the Twins the right club to coach him up?

[Bark's Lounge]

I'm not sure on Beede, is he a juiced-up Trevor May?  He only had one dominant year at Vandy.  And if this is the case, with the obvious struggles for command and control- are the Twins the right club to coach him up?

Jokin, did you mean to respond to my post? I was only commenting on MLB's rules of trading a draft pick and making them a PTBNL before they have one year in. I don't know much of anything about Beede.

[twinsfanstreif]

I'm not sure on Beede, is he a juiced-up Trevor May?  He only had one dominant year at Vandy.  And if this is the case, with the obvious struggles for command and control- are the Twins the right club to coach him up?

I've always liked Beede, I feel like his control struggles are overblown, he's not a control pitcher but he's not exactly wild either. I also believe he had 2 dominate years at Vandy although last year he wore down at bit at the end. His BB/9 isn't even close to Crick's

[jokin]

I've always liked Beede, I feel like his control struggles are overblown, he's not a control pitcher but he's not exactly wild either. I also believe he had 2 dominate years at Vandy although last year he wore down at bit at the end. His BB/9 isn't even close to Crick's

 

Thsnks for the update.  I went back and checked Beede's stats at Vandy, and he was a lot better in his Junior year than I thought at first glance (his sophomre year was very good). I always figured Crick's got the power arm with the flaming velocity that is closer to Meyer regarding upside, and Beede's situation is more akin to May- more innings thrown, higher probability of ending up as a mid-rotation , but you're right about the BB/9 differential- Yikes.  Either way, they both are going to require some coaching up to reach their full potential.

[Kirby_waved_at_me]

The Astros, Giants, and Marlins all seem to be in on Jed Lowrie to play third for them.

 

Maybe they'd prefer Plouffe? The Giants actually prefer Chase Headley, but they aren't sure if they will be able to sign him.

 

The third Base market is pretty slim after Headley (and Pablo Sandoval, who is already gone) - there may be quite a lot of demand for Plouffe's services.

 

It's also possible that hanging onto him and seeing what happens as the season progresses could bear fruit for the Twins.

[nicksaviking]

With the rumors of the perported multi-year deals to Headley, Plouffe's value can only go up.  I'm doing my best to see why anyone would give Headley more than a "prove it" one or two-year-deal, but I just can't understand it.  I also was flumoxed as to why anyone would give a 300 LB guy with decling OPS numbers a six-year-deal to man the hot corner.  Has 3B really turned into SS lite, where the prerequisite is a solid glove and any offense is just a cherry on top?  I'm really struggling to wrap my head around these new expectations.

 

I think there is a real market inefficency here, the Twins should jump all over it before every other team remembers that Mike Schmidt could also hit a little bit.