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Sure, but if you're good enough it can lead to a lifetime of retirement. Why would he willingly give up making that money now? Is he supposed to be a masochist just so as not to rock the boat? If he truly believes that the Twins coaching staff could prevent him from doing that, I understand why he'd speak up. And really, all evidence points to him being right; those guys in no way look like they know what they're doing.

First year in about a decade that the Twins rotation has come up significantly lame. I'm REALLY not enjoying defending anything Twins right now, but the program they've developed for the arms has worked. Every team in the league should be jealous of the Twins pitcher health. So much so, that when the Twins DO finally clean house, the only person I'd consider retaining is whomever developed this pitching plan. Please don't let that person be Derek Falvey himself.

Well they announced there were going to be new minority owners three days after gutting the team, so I kind of think they did tell us what the minority owners want.

While Jhoan Duran and Taylor Rogers hit the ground running, Cole Sands, Louie Varland, Griffin Jax, Tyler Duffey and Trevor May did not. And bringing in free agents provides even less likely success; a good pen is built from a careful evaluation of guys you already know. Sorry, it's going to take time and patience to build a pen, so I see next to no chance it will be good next year, even if they spent 50M to fix it.

Instead of putting his time and effort of his formative years into a profession he'd learn in college, he's doing it on the ball field. It's not like going back to school to become a doctor or lawyer is something a 30-year-old with a wife and kids can do without significant hurdles. I didn't care for the last comments Royce made about changing his swing and tanking his stats even further, but he's not wrong. Which player has this coaching staff successfully help adjust their offensive game? He can still sink lower, and he only needs to look at his contemporary prospects, Julien and Miranda. So many prospects have come up and looked fantastic. Then the other teams adjust to them, and pretty much every single time, the Twins coaching staff is unable to get the players to adjust to the adjustments. I have zero faith in the coaching staff myself, and I have nothing riding on it.

I hate so much about the NFL, even while still watching it, but arrests leaguewide are way down from 15-20 years ago. Still, I know it seems like a lot of players get arrested, but it's pretty much in line with everyone else in the country. Nationwide arrest rates are 2.23%, with 70 players per team, that's 1.5 players per year getting arrested, which sounds about right for the Vikings. And really, that's an improvement based on demographics because these players are 20-40 year old males, which makes up the overwhelming majority of arrests in the nation. And that's not even including the economic and racial background of these young men. In context, these guys are better behaved than society as a whole. Also, siiiiiigh, credit to Mike Zimmer. As stubborn, surly and increasingly unlikeable as he became, he absolutely brought in a culture of accountability. There was a clear line after his 1st season in 2014 when arrests started tapering off. https://daviderickson.com/sports/minnesota-vikings-chat/comprehensive-list-of-minnesota-vikings-arrests/

You wouldn't want to play for a guy who's always yelling at you to get off his lawn while also dating one of your classmates?

They will ALWAYS be a rookie, no matter when they are called up. At which point you’ll throw a temper tantrum because you hate rookies.

The expansion team fee ALONE is expected to be 2B - 2.5B. https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Articles/2025/08/28/mlb-office-surprised-by-surge-in-expansion-realignment-interest/ And these are for markets smaller than the ones who supposedly can’t support these 150M floors. If those expansion fees are disproportionately, or entirely given to the big market owners, that may be what has gotten them to talk salary caps and floors, which obviously will require full or close enough to fill revenue sharing like every other sport. I mean, they KNOW it has to be done or the sport will collapse, this kind of up front payoff may have been the carrot.

Then you’re not following. They are the ones pushing for a salary cap which obviously will never happen unless they agree to an NFL/NBA style floor. It’s a complete 180, so the motives are unclear, but suspicion is letting the big markets share the Vegas and expansion money may be motivation

No, I'm specifically saying teams top 10 in payroll almost always win. You're the one saying that's not true because MLB is a magical and equal utopia. If there's no correlation between winning and payroll, why don't you take the bottom 10 teams and bet on them.

No, they'd all be in the same boat because there would no longer be a 'bottom half of revenue'. Just like the other sports.

You're not wrong about the timeframe or the division. But when I started following the NFL in the mid to late 1980's Washington and the Giants were really good each year and were usually the only teams that could stop the 49ers from winning it all. The Cowboys then did get fortunate as their run of dominance started at the exact same time that Washington and the Giants got really bad. I don't think there was much overlap with all three.

Teams would be forced to pay the young players. Arb and pre-arb players get their fair share. And finally. Hopefully there isn't such a thing as arb and pre-arb players. Joe Ryan SHOULD be making 25M this year.

You need more evidence than the decreasing money from TV rights teams are getting? Or that there are 300% fewer nationally broadcast games on ESPN and the network owned companies than there were ten years ago? Or that total MLB attendance peaked in 2007 at 79M and hasn't been within 8M of that mark since 2017? Or that the NBA has passed MLB in popularity and you have to go all the way up to the 50-64 demographic to find where baseball is still ahead (but losing ground)? Or that Bobby Witt Jr could walk down main street in every American city and not get recognized? The guy with the 339M payroll thinks there's parity. B-b-b-because of the B-b-b-Brewers!!!!!! Sure, you take the Brewers to win the World Series, I get the teams with top 10 payrolls. We'll see if your once every 20 year dream comes true.

I think they are pushing for a cap because of their desire to expand. Las Vegas is going to make zero TV money, but supposedly oodles of new gambling/touristy/unknown revenue streams (I'm very skeptical). Meanwhile they want to expand into two more cities, which barely makes any sense because they'd be expanding into markets smaller than the current markets that are complaining (bogusly) that their profit margins aren't big enough any longer. BUT the two new markets will certainly see a huge spike in both TV and stadium/auxiliary income in the short and mid terms. On top of that, they'll be paying a significant expansion fee for the other owners to swim in. So I'm guessing the big market owners are now amenable to significant revenue sharing since they'll also get an immediate influx of new money from these new locations. Likely not as much to offset what they send back to the smaller markets, but it may be close enough where they can FINALLY see the long term health of the sport, in the form of parity, will help them profit more in the long run. Nothing else makes sense to me. The big market teams that try to win have NEVER wanted a cap, and now they do? They obviously know there can't be a cap without a floor within 90% of it and likely giving players somewhere between 48-55% of the gross revenue; there's no way they are successfully modeling it after anything other than what the other three major sports do. Their angle is money, as always, but if the MLBPA plays their cards right, they should come out better than ever since this cap has always been looked at as a Scarlet Letter. It's symbolically bad for the top players, but practically good for 90% of the players.

There has never been an easier thing for a fan of a NY team to say. How convenient that the deck is already stacked in your team's favor as it is. The union is more than capable of demanding and getting concessions from the owners in exchange for the cap and floor, which again, significantly benefits the lower earning players. Fewer years of service time, exponentially higher pay for arb and pre-arb players. Which are things that likely have to happen with a floor anyway. If the Twins were forced to have a 220M payroll, they'd have to be paying some pretty low-end players some pretty significant money.

It does seem like NY fans never think there is a parity problem. And how OUR billionaires benefitting from any changes is sinful while THEIR billionaires benefiting from not changing things is completely acceptable.

I'm connecting the dots, you are just obtuse. Everything will always benefit the owners all day, every day all the time. NOT having a salary cap also benefits the billionaires. Why do you think your New York and LA overlords have been against it for the last 40 years? They don't want to share their money. Now they might be interested because they can see the game is on life support. So they do the right thing now and we say, screw it, I'm watching soccer I guess. Perennial contender? We're Twins fans, we've been there done that. It means jack squat. Spend money to be an actual threat to win a championship.

And it's only the top earning players who want none of it. Bryce Harper can threaten the commissioner all he wants (which I'm good with) but he's being selfish too. Salary caps and salary floors may limit his earnings, but they would bump the low earning players on his team ten fold.

Stop with the hyperbole, you damn well know that I and 99% of the rest of this board are not cheering for owners. But just because their interest and the fans interest align on this ONE thing, doesn't mean we should kill this ONE thing. We only want the salary caps because it is the only way to get salary floors and equitable payrolls. The Brewers can be the best team all year, all they want, let's see how the World Series turns out for them. We watch these sports to see our teams win and the 2015 Royals and the 2001 Angels are the only teams that has won a World Series without having a top 10 payroll since 1991. That doesn't work for a pro sports league. I don't know a New York fan can argue this stuff when their owners were the ones who both caused and most benefited from the inequality.

No, we're cheering for parity so a mid or small market team may have a chance to win a championship more than once every three decades. This sport will die if they can't get middle America to follow baseball again, and they aren't going to follow if their team has no hope of winning. Billionaires indirectly benefit from everything this country does. There's no need to intentionally kill this one thing that WE like just to spite them.

Yeah the Twins and Pirates are passive teams, doing what the big clubs want. They would have made way more than make 200M if they would have forced the big market teams to do full revenue sharing in the 1980s or 1990s like the other pro leagues did. The players always tell the owners no. The owners ALWAYS get what they want. As evidenced by the salary caps and floors in the other three leagues.

The top three teams are loaded. But I think perception of the NFC North was higher about six months ago when Chicago hired Ben Johnson. Seems to me the the anticipation that the Bears will actually be good has waned dramatically every month. And quite dramatically after Caleb Williams and the offense still looked terrible in the preseason.

The fact that there's going to be a stoppage with the next CBA is on the Pohalds. The salary cap AND FLOOR along with revenue sharing should have been dealt with decades ago. The Pohalds are the third longest tenured ownership group in the sport behind the Steinbrenner's and Jerry Reinsdorf. As a seniority owner, the Twins should have been the franchise pushing back against the big market clubs disproportionately denying interest in the mid and smaller market teams. What the Rooneys and Steelers where to the NFL, the Pohlads and Twins should have been to the MLB. But they weren't. They have always been passive owners going along with what the big market owners told them to do.