KirbyDome89
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This isn't a difficult concept. Adding a solid guy to the middle of the pen pushes the back end fodder further down or out. Instead of Dylan Floro imploding in the 6th innings of a tight game, you've got a better option. Whatever hypothetical win total that deadline addition is worth over 60 games is pretty much irrelevant. You're adding that piece to strengthen the bridge from starter to Duran in October. Is everybody else "upset," or are you defending a rather indefensible position?
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They're on pace to win 84-85 games, which is pretty much where most people had them. The only reason they're going to hit that modest number of wins is because they've been blessed with one of the worst divisions of all time, and subsequently one of the easiest schedules in baseball. This club isn't outperforming expectations. In what world is a mid tier RP and/or a RH outfield bat pushing all your chips in?
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You honestly don't believe they could've done better than anybody 4-8, or Jax at times, or even matched Theilbar's talent level? Seriously? So just don't attempt to get better because there's a chance you won't? That's some massively flawed logic. Cano wasn't a prospect, he was 28 with absolutely no Major League success. He was literally a throw in for Lopez. If you think you're getting established talent back (they did,) you trade guys like Cano 100/100 times. I have no clue why you'd be worried about DFA candidates if the farm system is thin. There were plenty of better options available, and they didn't cost much. Brooks Lee for a 2 month bullpen rental? What is this nonsense?
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Holy rose-tinted glasses..... Talented pen? They're 24th in baseball by FIP since the AS break. Floro, Headrick, and Winder are all last guy types. Funderburk has thrown 6 Major League innings. Six. Is Varland going to stop giving up HRs? That's your 5-9 right now. Pagan sucks in high leverage, and with men on base. He has a FIP near 4 over the last month+ since moving up in the pecking order. Jax has been up and down all year, and Duran has looked pretty human in the 2nd half too. Keuchel isn't even worth mentioning. There was zero reason not to get a solid middle inning arm (or two) at the deadline. None. We're latching onto Varland, or a Paddack post TJ September audition because half of the pen is literally unusable in a postseason game right now. The bullpen was poorly constructed from the jump. Starting pitching going deep into games mitigated or hid that deficiency for quite a while, but the secret is out at this point.
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The Twins Were Right to Gamble on Julien
KirbyDome89 replied to Ted Schwerzler 's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Overall they aren't though. It's an incredibly SSS. Julien has been a part time 2B since Polanco came back, so yeah, "since July...." sounds a lot better than "3 weeks," which is roughly the number of starter innings he has been in the field over that period of time. Do they? You just listed 3 guys (also Plouffe was not a developmental success on the defensive side) that span nearly 60 years. At some point the exceptions prove the rule right? I would trade some defense for offense in this lineup too.- 53 replies
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Yep, they're in a good spot, and it's 100% because of this awful ****ing division somehow became even worse. Cleveland is writing the same article last year though, no? Kwan, Gimenez, Josh Naylor, the pitching, yada yada the future is now! Idk why we need to go over the top with so much of this.... No, the Twins didn't run away with anything this season. Games remaining + Cleveland's August slide did most of the heavy lifting, but congrats on losing the season series to the Guardians by only one game I guess. Hell, the Twins wouldn't even be a post expansion WC team right now despite the massive divisional/schedule advantage. MN imploded each of the last two seasons (while trying to win) and missed the playoffs, but we're touting sustainability? Seriously? We're patting the FO on the back for fulfilling that "vision," and talking about dynasties? C'mon..... Remember when "crushing it," became a meme? I do.....
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The Twins Were Right to Gamble on Julien
KirbyDome89 replied to Ted Schwerzler 's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
To what extent? Can he be an everyday 2B? That's the real question. Is moving from unplayably awful to just bad enough of an improvement to hand him 2B over the course of a full season? Obviously the amount of pain you're willing to tolerate defensively is tied to his hitting when we're talking about playing time, but the data you're referencing (Idk how much stock you're willing to put into defensive metrics) isn't good, or even ok. Younger players don't look as bad defensively breaking into the majors unless they're actually that bad. The learning curve defensively isn't close to what they face on the hitting side of things. You don't see IF prospects come up and not be able to handle routine plays the same way you might see guys struggle at the plate.- 53 replies
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Exceptions prove the rule right? Of course there is still a way for the Twins to bungle this on their own end, but they haven't run into any prolonged slides (good or bad) all year despite being a rather underwhelming team. Cleveland could also get insanely hot, but they've been middling at best for 140 games, Idk why now of all times we'd expect them to turn it on.
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Yeah, no. They needed a sweep. Going 2-1 vs MN still puts them 4 games back with 22 to play, that's life support territory. In either scenario it would also take an all time collapse by the Twins, against the likes of Chicago, Oakland, Anaheim, and Colorado no less, for Cleveland to end up on top of the ALC.
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Perhaps not to the same extent, but clearly, if you're going to argue that Gallo is an average or better offensive player, the bolded is questionable at best. Look, I understand what these stats are trying to measure. I just disagree that wRC+ best encapsulates Arraez's specific offensive impact. I'm picking on your Gallo example here, but IMO it highlights the point I'm making. At the risk of this turning into another Gallo thread, I'll say my piece and be done with it. I think he's been miserable because he has been. I've watched him be an absolute black hole in the lineup for the last 4 months. I didn't mention his average once (although yes, it's putrid) he has a sub .300 OBP (which is awful) despite the BBs, he's striking out in nearly 50% of his ABs, and even by more traditional slugging metrics he's well below average at what's supposed to be his "strength." There's nothing about who he has been for a vast, and I mean vast, majority of the season that is even close to an average offensive player. It's odd to me that you can accept the fact that other stats fall short of telling the whole story, but you think wRC+ is immune.
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Pointing at Gallo's wRC+ is just circular logic. We know he's not close to being an average offensive contributor. We know that because we've watched him for the last 4 months, so isn't it also possible that wRC+ has its own limitations? If it's capable of telling us that a miserable offensive player like Gallo is slightly above average, is it not also capable of undervaluing other players?
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I never said it was evil, I said I don't like it. Matt Moore isn't some fringe guy that hasn't been able to carve out an active roster spot, or a veteran player on the decline. Dumping legit MLB players on the waiver wire to save yourself from paying out the final month of contracts feels exploitative. YMMV but I'd be annoyed if teams chasing me were getting handouts. Some team, for the same cost as a ST flier, is going to scoop him, and potentially use him in a postseason game. If the Twins get him it'll be high fives all around. If he's the lefty out of the pen that's shutting them down, I doubt many people will be thrilled with what the Angels did.
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Maybe an unpopular opinion, but I'm not a fan of waiver dumps like this. Anaheim is that idiot in your fantasy league that doesn't set lineups, gets eliminated early, and then unloads their roster because why not. Teams have an entire offseason, plus 4 months during the regular season, to pay for talent. They shouldn't be scooping it up in late August for peanuts.
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Yep, they're not going to spend money to spite the Twins after essentially ceding the division a month ago. Hell, I doubt they'd spend the money if they were still in the race.
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You made the case that Baltimore is a Cinderella team, soon to get snuffed out, and the Twins, despite qualifying for nearly all your "cute," criteria, and toiling away in the worst division in baseball, are primed to make a run. The Twins might be left standing, but it won't be because MN is suddenly unlocking some hidden talent level and Baltimore is a fraud.
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I get all that, what I'm asking is what else should be expect a stat that heavily weighs power production to say about Arraez? By wRC+ Gallo is an average or slightly above average offensive contributor. To me that points to something you touched on earlier, disproportionately assigned value. You could certainly argue that Gallo is an outlier, and I'd be inclined to agree, but that's the point of my fish analogy with Arraez.
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Okay? Guys playing above their talent level, relying on a "formula," post hype prospects, shaky bullpen, unproven, struggles against high level pitching.... None of that also applies to the Twins?
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For a team that isn't "cute," they sure do meet a lot of the criteria laid out for being labeled as such....
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Down 4-1 in the 3rd with two runners on, riding a 7-8 game losing streak at that point, fighting for playoff spot, and we think a pitch that catches Jeffers at or below the tricep (in his 2nd AB) was intentional? C'mon guys....

