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Taylor wanted more money and more years and deserves to get that. So, no, not so simple as that or they would have done it. Also Taylor had a career year. I don’t expect he’ll repeat it

Don’t disagree with this. At all. It’s frustrating to fans who want the Twins to build on the success of last season only to get the announcement early on that payroll is cut. It just seems an antithesis to success. But I am tiring of these articles and discussions that say nothing new with the same posters saying the same things over and over. Like Sisyphus we are bound to Hell.

Then let the Marlins sign him since that’s where Gordon is now. I don’t think he’s needed, is he? I mean we have Castro, Farmer, Martin, Lee … do we need him?

Was anyone really surprised he ended up signing with the Cubs?

Knock it off ... everyone. Quit making and taking things so personally. Move on.

It is interesting. But it also cements my position that he will not be a fit, at all, in our clubhouse. A rigid and unyielding philosophy on how he goes about his work might be commendable on one hand, but, when it's a team sport, there needs to be some kind of compromise with those in charge and with your teammates. This article makes it clear ... it's my way, or no way. Almost as if he’s saying if you aren’t with me you are against me so **** you. I found his personal detachment as a big red flag. If he had multiple seasons in a row of great success, I might be okay with it. But ... he has not had multiple seasons in a row of great success, so he should be open to changes and tweaks. This article makes it pretty clear that he is not open to that at all. He really puts the ‘I’ in team.

There is a question mark at the end of the topic header and this is the off-season rumors, speculation and proposals forum …

The Dodgers got burned twice … once by Houston, then by Boston … so yeah, the loudest

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I did that once, too

Why not give Bauer the same courtesy? Apples and oranges. And a lot of people didn’t want Correa, either, and several here who still don’t. But it’s worth mentioning that Bauer still has three impending suits to settle. If they go the same as the first, a team might be willing to give him that chance. But until those cases are settled, no owner wants that risk. When and how those other cases go might determine whether or not he gets signed anywhere, but likely won’t until they are settled, Also, keep in mind that MLB did its own investigation, separate from governmental courts, lawyers, and public opinion. They found that Bauer violated their policy on domestic abuse. Bauer appealed but wasn’t able to negate the suspension, only reduce it. I don’t know what evidence MLB had or what their standard is, but it’s not nothing that they gave him the suspension they did and it’s not nothing the suspension was still a year long after appeal, the longest given for this type of case. Do owners have access to the evidence and findings in these cases? Sometimes decisions aren’t just about the skill of the player and perhaps owners are leery about the whole package. But if Francona, one of the most respected men in baseball, doesn’t want him on his team during a playoff run because he’s a ruiner of the clubhouse, and this prior to any of these public accusations, that should and does speak volumes. You might be able to tame a tiger, but it’s still a tiger and should be treated as such. (Siegfried and Roy learned that the hard way.) From all accounts I’ve read, the Twins have a great clubhouse. The camaraderie of the players is apparent. I don’t want to disrupt that. It’s an intangible that, imo, does make a difference. Oil and water don’t mix. On top of that, how good of a pitcher is he really anymore? Most are remembering a couple of good season out of many and wanting the pitcher he once was. I don’t think he’s all that anymore, and not good enough to be worth the baggage he brings. He’s 33, and while he might be able to give some decent innings, I don’t think he’s the level of pitcher anymore that you claim to want. Lopez is certainly better and I think Ober is, too, and Ryan probably is better at this point, too, maybe, with a good year. So you are taking a risk on a guy who maybe would be your third or fourth best. I think you might be basing your opinions that Bauer would be better on past laurels that aren’t current. I’d rather the Twins spend prospect capital to get the SP you seek. That pitcher, in ability, is no longer Bauer.

A majority of the Dodgers players voted they did not want him back after his suspension was over, one of the reasons the Dodgers cut bait. It’s been a common theme throughout his career with many of his teammates from college throughout his MLB career. I think he would be a very bad clubhouse fit given the reports of the camaraderie in our current clubhouse. I think Bauer would be a huge distraction. If he is such a bargain signing, why hasn’t he been signed yet?

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I’m not, yet. If things go well this season I will be in September 🙂 If not, I reserve the right to say I was right 😜🤣 Thanks for a very reasoned post!

You’re right. For some reason I was thinking he only pitched a few after the trade and that was it.

Speculation is fun. There is always a basis for ‘I can see this being the case.’ But keeping Gordon regardless was always going to cause other issues. If he were a rightie, there likely would have been less issues, but there always was a log jam there, especially since he was out of options. The timing of events lends to the speculation, but all the reports I’d read that Gordon was an exceptional clubhouse personality and very well liked, even through the playoffs. I think his time just ran out and it was a case of get something or nothing. I’m skeptical there was more to it, but who knows. Ah to be a fly on the wall.

Again, no one is necessarily suggesting we should have held onto Gray. I’m not comparing what we lost from last year to Gray’s potential production this year. All I and others are saying is we are skeptical that the rotation will be this year where it was at last year, because of the production and health we got from last year’s rotation. I’m just not as hopeful without an upgraded addition. As I said, I think the FO is rolling the dice it will be. I’m neither sold or unsold. Just a bit skeptical. But good for you for your optimism.

Oh. And here I was about to rename this ‘Mike’s Fangraphs thread’ I’m kidding, of course. Thanks for getting this thread started.

Agree, but not sure why you even threw Mahle in there. He wasn’t part of the rotation last year at all, not even in the plans. But our rotation last year produced and was relatively healthy. You just can’t count on the health part let alone the production part. And the FO hasn’t replaced the production we lost with anyone and seems to be rolling the dice on what we have really stepping up and forward. Unless they come through with a Lopez-like trade, we’ve certainly taken a step back … unless their bet on hope transpires with lots of steps forward by the current group. Something you can’t count on.

Then who replaces Bailey Ober’s production from last year? Maybe Paddock? I think the point is we haven’t (yet) equaled what we lost. Part of what made the rotation great last year was production and relative health. I don’t think we have the pieces yet that is comparable? It’s all a crap shoot and I think the FO is rolling the dice thinking they already have a good bet. I’m not sold. I’m not ‘unsold’, either.

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I’d say the Polo trade was significant given he’s been with the org for so long and a fan favorite. I think it was inevitable, but still significant

Being out of state, it makes no difference. But if I were in state, I'd be looking for work-arounds not allowed to be mentioned here. I mean, how can you present a product, and not present it at the same time? This is how. Go Twins.

You didn't do anything incorrectly. But when we see multiple posts going up on the same topic, we do our best to consolidate. And since this was a done deal, no longer a rumor, I opted to direct traffic to the other forums. Also, this one didn't have any posts in when while the others did, so it made the decision easier.